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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 10:49:54 GMT
What is the point of protesting miles away from the 'target' of the protest, the whole idea is to be heard and seen. You are in favour of removing peoples right to protest, that's obvious but they are taking that right from you as well. Well the Labour Party introduced the amendment to the Public Order Bill that introduced buffer zones around abortion clinics to prevent protests at the 'target' Are you suggesting that anti-abortion protests should be allowed outside of the clinics front door? - should we protect the right of people to protest? No I am not, it was a sensible 'compromise' by Labour but you have no reaction to your right to protest removed, I find that odd. |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 10:51:53 GMT
And here is one of those side issues and no doubt when the coronation is long over someone just might admit arresting those three volunteers was a cockup and the rape alarm excuse for it nothing more than the horse manure it is. Meanwhile who’d continue to volunteer and try to cooperate when they risk arrest? No sense of the irony then?  |
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Post by borchester on May 8, 2023 10:56:05 GMT
Well of course they won't. As I said earlier: They are a consensus. pathetic cowardly party , who dont have the courage of their convictions.
Bit hard Tommy.
Lardy never had any convictions, other than than an overpowering desire to end up on the front bench of the next Labour government. And now that Sir Stodge has shown that the way forward is by transforming the brothers and sisters into a harmless centre and very mildly leftwing party, the only protesting fatty will be doing will be about his membership fees at Weight Watchers |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:57:08 GMT
pathetic cowardly party , who dont have the courage of their convictions.
Bit hard Tommy.
Lardy never had any convictions, other than than an overpowering desire to end up on the front bench of the next Labour government. And now that Sir Stodge has shown that the way forward is by transforming the brothers and sisters into a harmless centre and very mildly leftwing party, the only protesting fatty will be doing will be about his membership fees at Weight Watchers  |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 11:01:40 GMT
Well the Labour Party introduced the amendment to the Public Order Bill that introduced buffer zones around abortion clinics to prevent protests at the 'target' Are you suggesting that anti-abortion protests should be allowed outside of the clinics front door? - should we protect the right of people to protest? No I am not, it was a sensible 'compromise' by Labour but you have no reaction to your right to protest removed, I find that odd. pacifico , despite our political differences , is generally consistent on his conservative position on most topics. You attack the tories , as is your right , but then fail to attack labour who are offering us more of the same as the tories are , not just on right to protest , but many other topics such as tuition fees , refusal to nationalize energy ,and many other issues.
I find that odd , that you want to remove one blue tory party , and hope they are replaced by a red tory party , offering much the same policy wise.
Your logic is inconsistent and all over the place. Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result is the sign of madness as they say , and as many of us former labour supporters learned years ago under the disaster of the last red tory administration.
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 11:17:08 GMT
End of YOUR OPINIONATED STORY, which has absolutely nothing to do with my position on the actual events during the Coronation. Your assumed opinions of 'New Labour of old' and 'New Labour' today makes it very clear that your suffer from an inability to move beyond your extreme bias against NL. That's what happens when people set their minds in one direction only. ---- BYE. im sure most scots will vote with their wallets to stop keir starmer imposing £9500 tuition fees on scotland the same as he supports their impostion in wales and england. Why take the chance on labour making us poorer? .......again....... You haven't provided proof that Starmer intends to impose tuition fees in Scotland. Your complete bias is so far beyond ridiculous it just makes a complete fool of you. |
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 11:19:40 GMT
So what is this Tory Anti-Protest legislation? and how long would it take to remove it? ask lammy. He said it would take up too much parliamentary time. So you rant against it but don't even know what it consists of. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 11:19:46 GMT
im sure most scots will vote with their wallets to stop keir starmer imposing £9500 tuition fees on scotland the same as he supports their impostion in wales and england. Why take the chance on labour making us poorer? .......again....... You haven't provided proof that Starmer intends to impose tuition fees in Scotland. Your complete bias is so far beyond ridiculous it just makes a complete fool of you. we have proof he cant be trusted on his u turn on that very same tuition fees in england. Scots cannot take the chance. Not to mention all his other u turns , flip flops and enabling of tory legislation he intends to keep.
Reminds me of this old article from labour uncut years ago on the very same problems with the blair government and civil liberties...
"Labour stopped defending individual freedom. The evidence can be found all over the place. Detention without trial, courts without juries, increased police and social welfare powers, camera monitoring, the expansion of GCHQ and, of course, identity cards. This is a tricky area for Labour which has always been to some extent a paternalistic party in setting out to support the disadvantaged and the oppressed. Tony Blair didn’t always help because, occasionally, his moral convictions conflicted with everyone else’s personal freedoms.
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 11:22:25 GMT
ask lammy. He said it would take up too much parliamentary time. So you rant against it but don't even know what it consists of. waffle. For the hard of understanding like you , im ranting against lammy unequivocally saying labour will not repeal the tory protest bill.
You asked how long it would take to remove it and i responded ask lammy and labour , who said it would take too long.
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 11:26:08 GMT
ask lammy. He said it would take up too much parliamentary time. So you rant against it but don't even know what it consists of. this old article rings true today as it did when the red tories were last in charge of labour.......
Labour can't simply jeer at the Conservatives' weaknesses
"Labour has still to confront a pervasive sense that too little changed for too many people when it held power. There are pockets of deprivation all over Britain – often a stone's throw from beautifully regenerated city centres – where life never seems to change much, come boom or come bust, and not just for those at the bottom of the pile.
The party noisily champions the 'squeezed middle', but Labour is vaguer about exactly what squeezed them: wages have been flatlining for lower earners since 2003, long before the credit crunch or Osborne's austerity pay freezes.
Young couples were steadily priced out not just of buying a home but renting one – the average London rent now demands an income of £52,000 a year – not merely in the last two years, but over more than a decade of failure to prick the housing bubble. In Bradford, Labour's candidate complained that the "Tories didn't care" about rocketing unemployment – but joblessness actually began rising in the city in 2004.
So it's not enough just to apologise for failures in bank regulation, when lower earners were suffering well before the crash. And it's not enough just to jeer at posh Tories for being out of touch with ordinary folk, when many of them think that Labour had lost touch too. Life may be tougher under the Tories, but for some it was no picnic before – and where's the proof that it would get better if Labour won again?
Where's the big plan for generating more and better jobs, or for helping people do the simple things – find a home, raise a family – now slipping out of reach?
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 11:28:08 GMT
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:03:17 GMT
Labour's Public Order Bill stance is a GAME CHANGER for the next election - Richard Murphy (@richardjmurphy
) explains why
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 13:22:25 GMT
Interesting thought.
Lets suppose the Tories do a study and find that drinking alcohol leads to an unsustainable level of crime, for we all know how keen the Tories are to stamp out crime, as long as it's not fraud.
They rush through a law that says all pubs 'must' have breathalysers on the premises and anyone over a certain limit will not be served. Anyone found on the street, because the police can now stop anyone on the street for no reason, with a higher alcohol level in their system can be arrested, charged and jailed for 12 months on the understanding that they could commit some crime associated with intoxication.
Would you go out and protest?
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 13:29:06 GMT
Interesting thought. Lets suppose the Tories do a study and find that drinking alcohol leads to an unsustainable level of crime, for we all know how keen the Tories are to stamp out crime, as long as it's not fraud. They rush through a law that says all pubs 'must' have breathalysers on the premises and anyone over a certain limit will not be served. Anyone found on the street, because the police can now stop anyone on the street for no reason, with a higher alcohol level in their system can be arrested, charged and jailed for 12 months on the understanding that they could commit some crime associated with intoxication. Would you go out and protest? which tories are we talking about? Red or blue?
The way i see it red , you and your mates are footsoldiers of the red tory labour party. you are basically sales people selling the labour party to us mere plebs in return for our votes.
Why should we vote in the red tories if they arent going to repeal the blue tories policies like right to protest?
The floor is yours.
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Post by Orac on May 8, 2023 13:30:06 GMT
Quite a few people I should imagine.
I'm not sure what the question /scenario is designed to highlight though
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