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Post by Orac on May 8, 2023 10:02:27 GMT
I may be being naive, but to me the issue seems simple.
Should you be allowed to hold placards and posters registering your disagreement etc etc? Yes
Should you be allowed to block a road without arrangement to do so? No
This has been the state of the law in the Uk for decades?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 10:08:23 GMT
The Tories are doing it, end of, it has nothing to do with Labour. Abstaining is not voting for. Lammy is not leaser of the Labour party. Hey Einstein most of these protest groups are being controlled by the establishment from the inside, hence all the zealots, who will feck them faster than a dog in heat. Another Blairite backroom decision. Evidence? |
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Post by sheepy on May 8, 2023 10:10:25 GMT
Hey Einstein most of these protest groups are being controlled by the establishment from the inside, hence all the zealots, who will feck them faster than a dog in heat. Another Blairite backroom decision. Evidence? LOL they were caught red handed so to speak doing it, it just means they needed better cover. I mean nobody can have that short an attention span. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 10:10:30 GMT
The Tories are doing it, end of, it has nothing to do with Labour. Abstaining is not voting for. Lammy is not leaser of the Labour party.  Oh dear me, you obviously do not understand our democracy. The Government does not have to abide by what the lords say, they are the 'elected' government and cab ignore them whenever they want. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:14:26 GMT
Oh dear me, you obviously do not understand our democracy. The Government does not have to abide by what the lords say, they are the 'elected' government and cab ignore them whenever they want. you arent doing a convincing job of polishing the red tory turd . The lords could have delayed the bill , and the symbolism of labour standing up to the bill in the lords instead of abstaining is whats obviously needling you red tory supporters.
Thats before we even address lammys bombshell that labour wouldnt repeal the bill if they took power.
So all in all , its another zero points for starmer and his red tories .
hence.......
The English local elections have indicated that Starmer will fail to win an overall majority. That is the verdict of His Majesty’s Number Crunchers, Professor Sir John Curtice and messrs Rallings and Thrasher. There’s only a point or two in it but we can see where UK politics is going. It is simply Labour’s turn. The Tories have just made too many mistakes and must be punished at the polls. But voters aren’t completely sold on Starmer.
They noticed how he abandoned all the leftist pledges that got him elected as Labour leader in 2020: nationalisation, tax, restoring EU freedom of movement. His, most recent policy U-turn, on abolishing tuition fees, is his “Nick Clegg moment”. Everyone remembers how the Liberal Democrats came unstuck over their “betrayal” on fees.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 8, 2023 10:26:45 GMT
Well of course they won't. As I said earlier: They are a consensus. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:28:29 GMT
Well of course they won't. As I said earlier: They are a consensus. pathetic cowardly party , who dont have the courage of their convictions.
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 10:30:52 GMT
I was condemning the protesters, you deviated to Lammy's comments on whether or not legislation would be used. we know your position on the protestors. Like new labour of old , the current new labour is against civil liberties including the right to protest. You make that clear in your posts. Your party made that clear when lammy said they would not repeal the anti protest laws.
end of story.
End of YOUR OPINIONATED STORY, which has absolutely nothing to do with my position on the actual events during the Coronation. Your assumed opinions of 'New Labour of old' and 'New Labour' today makes it very clear that your suffer from an inability to move beyond your extreme bias against NL. That's what happens when people set their minds in one direction only. ---- BYE. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 8, 2023 10:31:50 GMT
There are over 60,000 streets in London yet these protestors want to kick off and disrupt the procession that was being held on just 2 of them. If their aim was simply 'protest' then they could have held a peaceful protest anywhere else in London and nobody would have minded in the slightest.. What is the point of protesting miles away from the 'target' of the protest, the whole idea is to be heard and seen. You are in favour of removing peoples right to protest, that's obvious but they are taking that right from you as well. Well the Labour Party introduced the amendment to the Public Order Bill that introduced buffer zones around abortion clinics to prevent protests at the 'target' Are you suggesting that anti-abortion protests should be allowed outside of the clinics front door? - should we protect the right of people to protest? |
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 10:35:54 GMT
Well of course they won't. As I said earlier: They are a consensus. pathetic cowardly party , who dont have the courage of their convictions.
So what is this Tory Anti-Protest legislation? and how long would it take to remove it? |
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Post by see2 on May 8, 2023 10:40:39 GMT
I may be being naive, but to me the issue seems simple. Should you be allowed to hold placards and posters registering your disagreement etc etc? Yes Should you be allowed to block a road without arrangement to do so? No This has been the state of the law in the Uk for decades? A serious over simplification ^^^^ |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:43:52 GMT
we know your position on the protestors. Like new labour of old , the current new labour is against civil liberties including the right to protest. You make that clear in your posts. Your party made that clear when lammy said they would not repeal the anti protest laws.
end of story.
End of YOUR OPINIONATED STORY, which has absolutely nothing to do with my position on the actual events during the Coronation. Your assumed opinions of 'New Labour of old' and 'New Labour' today makes it very clear that your suffer from an inability to move beyond your extreme bias against NL. That's what happens when people set their minds in one direction only. ---- BYE. im sure most scots will vote with their wallets to stop keir starmer imposing £9500 tuition fees on scotland the same as he supports their impostion in wales and england. Why take the chance on labour making us poorer?  .......again....... |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:44:44 GMT
pathetic cowardly party , who dont have the courage of their convictions.
So what is this Tory Anti-Protest legislation? and how long would it take to remove it? ask lammy. He said it would take up too much parliamentary time. |
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Post by thomas on May 8, 2023 10:45:09 GMT
I may be being naive, but to me the issue seems simple. Should you be allowed to hold placards and posters registering your disagreement etc etc? Yes Should you be allowed to block a road without arrangement to do so? No This has been the state of the law in the Uk for decades? A serious over simplification ^^^^ like most of your puerile posts. |
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Post by wapentake on May 8, 2023 10:45:33 GMT
I may be being naive, but to me the issue seems simple. Should you be allowed to hold placards and posters registering your disagreement etc etc? Yes Should you be allowed to block a road without arrangement to do so? No This has been the state of the law in the Uk for decades? A serious over simplification ^^^^ Simplification? Yes Serious? Absolutely not, it is the essence of what should be,or not allowed,whilst there are side issues it lays clear lines of what is acceptable. |
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