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Post by patman post on Oct 23, 2022 14:26:08 GMT
The country's buggered for the next two years anyway, no matter who gets in. One Tory hope must be that the mood of the country is changed by a new administration looking like it means business and spreading some feeling of well-being, so that the party isn't obliterated at the next election. Just think, some polling analysts are saying there's a chance the SNP could be the main opposition party in Westminster if the largest margins are realised... |
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Post by vlk on Oct 23, 2022 14:38:52 GMT
I don't think the Tory-membership rejects Sunak for any other reason than that they view him as a foreigner. Other than that he would be just OK for them.
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Post by thomas on Oct 23, 2022 14:40:40 GMT
I don't think the Tory-membership rejects Sunak for any other reason than that they view him as a foreigner. Other than that he would be just OK for them. i think the race card for sunak is extremely weak.
guido sums it up here...
Tory MPs know Labour will launch an onslaught against Rishi based on his record of tax hikes, his wife's decades long non-domicile for tax purposes, his wealth and the billions lost to covid fraud under his watch. He is not a risk-free choice. There's also the polling...
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 14:55:06 GMT
The country's buggered for the next two years anyway, no matter who gets in. One Tory hope must be that the mood of the country is changed by a new administration looking like it means business and spreading some feeling of well-being, so that the party isn't obliterated at the next election. Just think, some polling analysts are saying there's a chance the SNP could be the main opposition party in Westminster if the largest margins are realised... The grass is always greener, but regardless of who the PM is three things will dominate politics for the foreseeable future: the cost of net-zero, the cost of covid, and the war in Ukraine. And anyone who thinks this country is in the shit should have a look at other countries, France is crippled with strikes and Germany are firing up coal power stations because they've run out of electricity. Anyone who relies on the BBC for their news will be unaware of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 15:10:44 GMT
Why do people think that Boris was so popular ?
Lets look at a fact shall we ..... The Labour Party have been ahead in all the polls throughout 2022
Boris Johnson was Prime Minister for 8 months in 2022
He is now damaged, seriously wounded, and with serious questions still hanging over him in the form of an Inquiry, personaly I think those that believe that Boris could turn around the fortunes of the Conservative Party must be stark raving bonkers.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 15:21:17 GMT
Why do people think that Boris was so popular ? Lets look at a fact shall we ..... The Labour Party have been ahead in all the polls throughout 2022 Boris Johnson was Prime Minister for 8 months in 2022 He is now damaged, seriously wounded, and with serious questions still hanging over him in the form of an Inquiry, personaly I think those that believe that Boris could turn around the fortunes of the Conservative Party must be stark raving bonkers. I don't think it's a case of Boris being popular, or not. Many people outside of the Westminster bubble see Sunak as a sneak the man who stabbed Boris in the back, rightly or wrongly that is colouring their perception of him. For many people it's not a case of liking or disliking Boris, it's a case of Sunak is a backstabber. Which is why the parliamentary conservative party are desperate to avoid the membership getting a vote. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 15:30:23 GMT
Many cabinet ministers walked out on Borris because hes unreable
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Post by vlk on Oct 23, 2022 15:33:55 GMT
I don't think the Tory-membership rejects Sunak for any other reason than that they view him as a foreigner. Other than that he would be just OK for them. i think the race card for sunak is extremely weak.
guido sums it up here...
Tory MPs know Labour will launch an onslaught against Rishi based on his record of tax hikes, his wife's decades long non-domicile for tax purposes, his wealth and the billions lost to covid fraud under his watch. He is not a risk-free choice. There's also the polling...
Yes, the race-card is weak. Let's put it this way: For many people of the Tory-membership even Scotland is a foreign country. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 23, 2022 16:59:45 GMT
Must admit I cannot see Johnson getting 100 votes - if he had he would have declared his candidature by now.
I forecast that 5PM tomorrow Sunak will be anointed Leader.
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Post by colbops on Oct 23, 2022 17:05:32 GMT
I forecast that 5PM tomorrow Sunak will be anointed Leader. Its looking that way |
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Post by patman post on Oct 23, 2022 17:11:42 GMT
The country's buggered for the next two years anyway, no matter who gets in. One Tory hope must be that the mood of the country is changed by a new administration looking like it means business and spreading some feeling of well-being, so that the party isn't obliterated at the next election. Just think, some polling analysts are saying there's a chance the SNP could be the main opposition party in Westminster if the largest margins are realised... The grass is always greener, but regardless of who the PM is three things will dominate politics for the foreseeable future: the cost of net-zero, the cost of covid, and the war in Ukraine. And anyone who thinks this country is in the shit should have a look at other countries, France is crippled with strikes and Germany are firing up coal power stations because they've run out of electricity. Anyone who relies on the BBC for their news will be unaware of this. The cost of living will dominate.
The causes will be blamed on different things according to whoever is doing the blaming.
And saying how much worse other countries are reported to be by those with their axes to grind might make you feel like you're doing your patriotic bit, but it's unlikely to make the majority feel any better.
It's certainly not stopping industrial action in the UK...
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 23, 2022 17:21:05 GMT
The grass is always greener, but regardless of who the PM is three things will dominate politics for the foreseeable future: the cost of net-zero, the cost of covid, and the war in Ukraine. And anyone who thinks this country is in the shit should have a look at other countries, France is crippled with strikes and Germany are firing up coal power stations because they've run out of electricity. Anyone who relies on the BBC for their news will be unaware of this. The cost of living will dominate.
The causes will be blamed on different things according to whoever is doing the blaming.
And saying how much worse other countries are reported to be by those with their axes to grind might make you feel like you're doing your patriotic bit, but it's unlikely to make the majority feel any better.
It's certainly not stopping industrial action in the UK...
Of course the cost of living will dominate people's lives, and this may come as a shock to Tory bashers, but the cost of living crisis is not restricted to the UK. Have you seen what's going on in the EU? The cost of living crisis is due to gas prices and the war in Ukraine, the cost of net-zero and the cost of covid. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 23, 2022 17:26:01 GMT
And like Sunak will relate to the cost of living crisis, when he's just spent £1.5 million on a swimming complex on his mansion.
calm down ... I'm not saying he can't use his own money on what he wants ... but it doesn't go down well with voters who are wondering where the next meal is coming from, who's putting the food on the table and a roof over their heads.
Sunak is rubbing their noses in it, how on this earth could he possibly say 'I know what you are going through' FFS.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 23, 2022 17:33:52 GMT
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At redreckam of couse the cost of living criss is down to Tory mismanagement .
UK prices have been higher than the EU average for at least five years, with the gap widening in the aftermath of the COVID lockdown and the war ...
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Post by colbops on Oct 23, 2022 17:43:20 GMT
Of course the cost of living will dominate people's lives, and this may come as a shock to Tory bashers, but the cost of living crisis is not restricted to the UK. I doubt very much people will care whether it is restricted to the UK or not. The reality is there is an entire generation that has been screwed from cradle to middle age, and now are facing being screwed to the grave too. They are probably starting to ask themselves why they should buy into a society that has saddled them with debt as students, made it difficult to get a foot on the housing ladder, despite holding down a job, and a society that is expecting them to work to the grave with no realistic possibility of retirement. And then despite all that they are now being put in a position they cant afford basic essentials. The same society that allowed baby boomers to borrow from the future to line their own nests, putting who came before and who came after in the poorhouse, then to add insult to injury are still milking everyone dry through demands of triple lock pensions. |
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