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Post by wapentake on May 4, 2023 7:50:24 GMT
As of tomorrow disruptive protesters that block roads, or chain themselves to doors each other or glue themselves to the road, will now face tougher sentencing. Protesters who block roads will face up to 12 months behind bars from Wednesday as new criminal offences for disruptive demonstrations come into force. The measures in the Public Order Act, which received royal assent on Tuesday, will give police the powers to stop disruption at major sporting and cultural events this summer in England and Wales, the Home Office said. A new offence of “interfering with key national infrastructure” such as oil refineries, airports and railways could carry a maximum sentence of 12 months in prison and an unlimited fine. Anyone who “locks on” to other people, objects or buildings could go to prison for six months and face an unlimited fine. Officers will also be able to search protesters for padlocks, glue and digging tools, with people intending to use them to cause disruption also facing criminal charges. The tougher penalties are aimed at curbing the guerrilla tactics used by groups such as Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion. Home Secretary Suella Braverman said: “The public shouldn’t have their daily lives ruined by so called ‘eco-warriors’ causing disruption and wasting millions of pounds of taxpayer money. “The selfish minority must not be allowed to get away with this. We are giving our police and courts the tools they need to stop this chaos and I back them in making full use of these powers.” Good Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. It’s not down to the Home Secretary,police chiefs are appointed or dismissed by the police and crime commissioners,another bloody layer of unwanted drones. |
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 8:08:06 GMT
Yes there is legislation in relation to obstructing Emergency Workers and it is an offence which carries a fine of up to £5,000, but under certain circumstances preventing them doing their job, which is set out in the legislation Don't get me wrong I want these people who do not protest peacefully that cause serious disrupting to people like you and I going about our daily lives, arrested and dealt with as harshly as the Law allows, the additions to the Legislation relating to Protesting has come about because of their behaviour, As for the Police they are probably more pissed of with them that you and I are, days off cancelled with little or no notice , longer working hours, having to listen to their ranting and shouting, when they make arrests they can't go home until the paperwork is done etc In fairness they aren't violent or rioting, I suppose the word is irritating, but nevertheless their actions are endangering life, including their own.
The police have a duty to protect the safety of the public and to protect the safety of the protesters, we have seen ambulances caught up in this mayhem, and the courts have been somewhat lenient in sentencing, some of these protesters have been before the courts more than once, and still continue. We can't have a two tier justice system, the stop oil protesters breaking the law keep getting a slap on the wrist, while the serial shoplifter gets prison.
The police and courts should treat all people breaking the law with the same equal contempt, showing now favoritism to one set of offenders, otherwise we will go down a slippery slope.
I agree most of the protesters are not violent, and certainly not rioting and yes they pose a danger to themselves and others , but their actions and behaviour could cause members of the public to take the law into their own hands which is understandable The Police have no say in who is charged and what with that is sole preserve of the CPS, nor do they have a say in what penalties the Magistrals or Judges decide to do. I remember one Ambulance that was rushing to get a very ill woman to Hospital and her daughter driving behind the Ambulance was held up in a traffic jam caused by the protesters , could not get through I think the poor lady died . What annoys me is if you are driving and an Emergency Vehicle is being you on Blues and Two's if you go through a red light or go into a bus lane to let them through and caught on camera the local Council will fine you, rule apparently is stay put and wait until you can pull over, even on appeal the Council still fine you in most cases |
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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 8:25:07 GMT
The EDL are a very racist, bigoted group, who look for confrontation, and who have repeatedly been involved in violence, intimidation and vandalism. I personaly am a Monarchist, a Royalist, I have sworn alegience to the Crown, but I would defend to the death the right of anti monarchist protestors to protest or demonstrate during the coronation. The reason the EDL was refused permission to march the route they wanted to use was a predominantly Asian area which could have resulted in violence, hence the Police told them no which they can still do As for Political Violence on our streets over the last 50 years the majority of that has been orchestrated by the far left, who outnumber the far right I am also a Monarchist I also have sown Allegiance to the Crown years ago , there will be a Protest Rally by Republicans during the Coronation which will be held in Trafalgar Square which is on the route of the Coronation as long as they behave accordingly not a problem it is their right to protest, The reason for the EDL march was to protest against the frequency and continuing Pakistani grooming gangs. No point in protesting in a car park. Just stop oil do not protest in a farmers field they go to the area where cars abound and disrupt those they see as part of the problem. The Just stop oil also run teh risk of violence but then the police arrest or deter those who threaten or cause violence not the protestors. Double standards at work all round. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 4, 2023 8:37:17 GMT
In fairness they aren't violent or rioting, I suppose the word is irritating, but nevertheless their actions are endangering life, including their own.
The police have a duty to protect the safety of the public and to protect the safety of the protesters, we have seen ambulances caught up in this mayhem, and the courts have been somewhat lenient in sentencing, some of these protesters have been before the courts more than once, and still continue. We can't have a two tier justice system, the stop oil protesters breaking the law keep getting a slap on the wrist, while the serial shoplifter gets prison.
The police and courts should treat all people breaking the law with the same equal contempt, showing now favoritism to one set of offenders, otherwise we will go down a slippery slope.
I agree most of the protesters are not violent, and certainly not rioting and yes they pose a danger to themselves and others , but their actions and behaviour could cause members of the public to take the law into their own hands which is understandable The Police have no say in who is charged and what with that is sole preserve of the CPS, nor do they have a say in what penalties the Magistrals or Judges decide to do. I remember one Ambulance that was rushing to get a very ill woman to Hospital and her daughter driving behind the Ambulance was held up in a traffic jam caused by the protesters , could not get through I think the poor lady died . What annoys me is if you are driving and an Emergency Vehicle is being you on Blues and Two's if you go through a red light or go into a bus lane to let them through and caught on camera the local Council will fine you, rule apparently is stay put and wait until you can pull over, even on appeal the Council still fine you in most cases There have been protest marches since the 1800, probably started in America then caught on here, it is a democratic right to protest and no one wants to ban it, but these just stop oil fanatics are forcing the law to change its rules on protest marches, basically they are spoiling it for everyone who has a legitimate cause to protest about.
They are selfish, and have little regard for their safety or public safety, in their selfishness they are doing a disservice to the freedom of democracy of this country, it's not the law that needs changing it's the selfish attitudes of these self serving protesters.
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Post by Toreador on May 4, 2023 8:54:27 GMT
For those insisting it's OK to disrupt other peoples' lives, all this thread is best summed up as "Rabble without a cause"
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 9:54:34 GMT
I couldn't see a single racist view on the EDL's website. I didn't think it was up to you to decide who is or isn't allowed to protest.
They had no issues with Jewish or Hindu people and even had civilised exchanges with the odd Muslim. They were open to multiethnic society. In fact, many thought of them as Zionist and multicultural in their narrative, so wasn't liked at both ends. The old school fascists didn't like them and neither did the loony left, who are known to throw rocks and molotovs toward the police in acts of intimidation and vandalism.
SOME posts are really quite unbelievable - like this one for example, I suppose SOME Gestapo officers were not too bad really, deep down. And its gratifying to know that the nice EDL had the "occassional" exchange with just the "odd Muslim" There are not one or two instances of EDL violence, vandalism or intimidation to be found on the internet, there are HUNDREDS of examples, and everyone in their right minds knows full well that the EDL are nothing but a bunch of racist arseholes, who s history stems back to soccer hooligans and so called "casuals". |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 9:58:04 GMT
Do you think they should not have to abide by the law, this does appear to be saying? Is English your second language ? which bit of " Police have to abide by the Law" do you not understand I understood what you said but as my question quite clearly said "this appears to be what you are saying", do you not understand English? |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 9:59:49 GMT
We are all now 'eligible' to be stopped and search for no reason as we go about our daily business. More Bollocks , if you are part of a Protest and you suspected of being in possession of articles to cause criminal damage, paint , glue to stick yourself to a bus or what ever, the Police can search you and probably arrest you for going equipped to case criminal damage. You really do need to get out more, ask Matron if you can go out and play in the Park for an hour or two  You appear to not understand the new law they can stop and search anyone with no reason offered. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 10:00:01 GMT
The EDL are a very racist, bigoted group, who look for confrontation, and who have repeatedly been involved in violence, intimidation and vandalism. I personaly am a Monarchist, a Royalist, I have sworn alegience to the Crown, but I would defend to the death the right of anti monarchist protestors to protest or demonstrate during the coronation. So to be clear, the right to protest and disrupt depends on your view of who is doing the protesting and disrupting. If you think they are racist and bigoted then they have no right to protest. At least we know where you stand which is not an unusual leftish position. I think the worrying thing is that you believe that you are not being hypocritical at all and honestly believe you have the white hot force of morality behind you. MOST members of the so called "English Defence League" are opposed to the very British principle of Freedom Of Religion", they pursue ideals of hatred based upon a persons faith, and guess what ? .... Thats no different to how the Nazis were in 1930s Europe. Its not a matter of what I think, or what I believe, or my opinion, it is a simple matter of fact that the EDL are racist, bigoted, scum, and the organisation, though much depleted now, is borderline as to whether it should be a banned organisation, same as Britain First. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 10:08:35 GMT
I couldn't see a single racist view on the EDL's website. I didn't think it was up to you to decide who is or isn't allowed to protest.
They had no issues with Jewish or Hindu people and even had civilised exchanges with the odd Muslim. They were open to multiethnic society. In fact, many thought of them as Zionist and multicultural in their narrative, so wasn't liked at both ends. The old school fascists didn't like them and neither did the loony left, who are known to throw rocks and molotovs toward the police in acts of intimidation and vandalism.
SOME posts are really quite unbelievable - like this one for example, I suppose SOME Gestapo officers were not too bad really, deep down. And its gratifying to know that the nice EDL had the "occassional" exchange with just the "odd Muslim" There are not one or two instances of EDL violence, vandalism or intimidation to be found on the internet, there are HUNDREDS of examples, and everyone in their right minds knows full well that the EDL are nothing but a bunch of racist arseholes, who s history stems back to soccer hooligans and so called "casuals". But you're not in the right mind. You believe you have a special right to dictate who is and isn't allowed to protest, and you do this with propaganda. I know what the EDL are and I know the history of this Tommy Robinson character. I am under no illusion that he's Mr Innocent, but I know for a fact that the vast majority of violence is instigated by the Left. I've seen it first hand from AntiFA, who you probably adore.
There was nothing racist about the EDL.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 10:32:07 GMT
So to be clear, the right to protest and disrupt depends on your view of who is doing the protesting and disrupting. If you think they are racist and bigoted then they have no right to protest. At least we know where you stand which is not an unusual leftish position. I think the worrying thing is that you believe that you are not being hypocritical at all and honestly believe you have the white hot force of morality behind you. MOST members of the so called "English Defence League" are opposed to the very British principle of Freedom Of Religion", they pursue ideals of hatred based upon a persons faith, and guess what ? .... Thats no different to how the Nazis were in 1930s Europe. Its not a matter of what I think, or what I believe, or my opinion, it is a simple matter of fact that the EDL are racist, bigoted, scum, and the organisation, though much depleted now, is borderline as to whether it should be a banned organisation, same as Britain First. Bullshit. They even stated that Muslims were becoming a victim of Islamist radicalisation and encouraged them not to support the Jihadis. You're just mad because they stood up to the racist grooming and rape of underage white girls and the Islamist radicalisation which led to terrorist attacks in this country, after your lunatic Labour party engaged in wars in the Muslim world whilst inviting potential terrorists in via mass-immigration. Maybe if your lot wasn't so hypocritical and shameless then the EDL wouldn't have existed. I understand that you follow the same agenda as Islamist terrorists, who blow people up to get their own way, but instigating violence, which your comrades do, against somebody and then demanding that this person should be shut down is extremism. |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 4, 2023 12:27:07 GMT
Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. It’s not down to the Home Secretary,police chiefs are appointed or dismissed by the police and crime commissioners,another bloody layer of unwanted drones. Section 42 of the Police Act 1996 provides that the Home Secretary can require the MPA (Metropolitan Police Authority) to exercise its power to call on the Commissioner (or other Chief Officer) in the interests of efficiency or effectiveness, to retire or resign. |
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 13:10:33 GMT
I agree most of the protesters are not violent, and certainly not rioting and yes they pose a danger to themselves and others , but their actions and behaviour could cause members of the public to take the law into their own hands which is understandable The Police have no say in who is charged and what with that is sole preserve of the CPS, nor do they have a say in what penalties the Magistrals or Judges decide to do. I remember one Ambulance that was rushing to get a very ill woman to Hospital and her daughter driving behind the Ambulance was held up in a traffic jam caused by the protesters , could not get through I think the poor lady died . What annoys me is if you are driving and an Emergency Vehicle is being you on Blues and Two's if you go through a red light or go into a bus lane to let them through and caught on camera the local Council will fine you, rule apparently is stay put and wait until you can pull over, even on appeal the Council still fine you in most cases There have been protest marches since the 1800, probably started in America then caught on here, it is a democratic right to protest and no one wants to ban it, but these just stop oil fanatics are forcing the law to change its rules on protest marches, basically they are spoiling it for everyone who has a legitimate cause to protest about.
They are selfish, and have little regard for their safety or public safety, in their selfishness they are doing a disservice to the freedom of democracy of this country, it's not the law that needs changing it's the selfish attitudes of these self serving protesters.
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 13:27:19 GMT
More Bollocks , if you are part of a Protest and you suspected of being in possession of articles to cause criminal damage, paint , glue to stick yourself to a bus or what ever, the Police can search you and probably arrest you for going equipped to case criminal damage. You really do need to get out more, ask Matron if you can go out and play in the Park for an hour or two You appear to not understand the new law they can stop and search anyone with no reason offered. You are wrong yet again , Police have had the power to stop and search especially on London sine the mid 18th century, Police can as a matter of course still do that provided they have reasonable grounds to do so, this addition relates to the Protesters who are deliberately causing as much disruption as possible, if the Police suspect that any of them are carrying item to cause Criminal Damage to property both private and public , glue themselves to whatever in order that that can delay their arrest or removal as long as possible. Get a grip will you, why do insist on embarring yourself day after day |
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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 13:29:17 GMT
So to be clear, the right to protest and disrupt depends on your view of who is doing the protesting and disrupting. If you think they are racist and bigoted then they have no right to protest. At least we know where you stand which is not an unusual leftish position. I think the worrying thing is that you believe that you are not being hypocritical at all and honestly believe you have the white hot force of morality behind you. MOST members of the so called "English Defence League" are opposed to the very British principle of Freedom Of Religion", they pursue ideals of hatred based upon a persons faith, and guess what ? .... Thats no different to how the Nazis were in 1930s Europe. Its not a matter of what I think, or what I believe, or my opinion, it is a simple matter of fact that the EDL are racist, bigoted, scum, and the organisation, though much depleted now, is borderline as to whether it should be a banned organisation, same as Britain First. How do you know what most members think and the protests were always against radical Islam and the protection afforded by some Mosques to radical groups. That is to my memory. Choudary and his group protested against the Anglian regiment marching through Luton after returning from Afghanistan. Some people objected and the police protected Choudary and his group and did not stop them protesting. Not long after in Luton the EDL marched to protest outside a Mosque that was believed to be allowing radical preachers to spread the word. The EDL were physically attacked by Muslims bussing into town and the police were pretty noticeable by their inability to protect these protestors and secure their right to protest. And so we get the left and the much vaunted British value of tolerance disappear in the proverbial puff of smoke as racist, bigoted and scum all appear at once. If they are not banned they have an absolute right to protest along with any other group, something that sticks in your craw apparently. |
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