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Post by Handyman on May 3, 2023 15:01:32 GMT
As of tomorrow disruptive protesters that block roads, or chain themselves to doors each other or glue themselves to the road, will now face tougher sentencing. Protesters who block roads will face up to 12 months behind bars from Wednesday as new criminal offences for disruptive demonstrations come into force. The measures in the Public Order Act, which received royal assent on Tuesday, will give police the powers to stop disruption at major sporting and cultural events this summer in England and Wales, the Home Office said. A new offence of “interfering with key national infrastructure” such as oil refineries, airports and railways could carry a maximum sentence of 12 months in prison and an unlimited fine. Anyone who “locks on” to other people, objects or buildings could go to prison for six months and face an unlimited fine. Officers will also be able to search protesters for padlocks, glue and digging tools, with people intending to use them to cause disruption also facing criminal charges. The tougher penalties are aimed at curbing the guerrilla tactics used by groups such as Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion. Home Secretary Suella Braverman said: “The public shouldn’t have their daily lives ruined by so called ‘eco-warriors’ causing disruption and wasting millions of pounds of taxpayer money. “The selfish minority must not be allowed to get away with this. We are giving our police and courts the tools they need to stop this chaos and I back them in making full use of these powers.” Good Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. If only it was a simple as that, the Police not only have to uphold the Law and Enforce, they also have to abide by it otherwise they get sued |
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Post by sandypine on May 3, 2023 17:54:18 GMT
Protest is indeed fine, as long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business. On protesting the law says: 'People are free to gather and to demonstrate as long as they do so within the law. People have a right to be free to carry out their lawful business'.Anyone who thinks this country is anything remotely like Russia or North Korea is quite frankly, thick. Give it time. Now there is a thing I agree although I think we may be seeing that coming from a different angle. |
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Post by sandypine on May 3, 2023 18:02:05 GMT
Protest is indeed fine, as long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business. On protesting the law says: 'People are free to gather and to demonstrate as long as they do so within the law. People have a right to be free to carry out their lawful business'.Anyone who thinks this country is anything remotely like Russia or North Korea is quite frankly, thick. "As long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business" ? You mean like a train drivers strike, or a bus drivers strike, or a tube strike in London, or teachers going on strike which impacts on parents, or an air pilots strike, air traffic controllers going on strike. What about when petrol tanker drivers went on strike, and people could not get fuel for their cars ? Before you know where we are, half the country cannot protest, cannot go on strike, and you say we are not becoming like Russia. I can recall the EDL planning a demonstration in Rotherham as regards grooming gangs and the left, almost to a man, were up in arms about how disruptive it would be to local businesses and were demanding that the police ban the march. In the end they were relegated to a car park outside the city centre. It seems disrupting people is only acceptable if it is something the left agree with. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 20:13:17 GMT
"As long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business" ? You mean like a train drivers strike, or a bus drivers strike, or a tube strike in London, or teachers going on strike which impacts on parents, or an air pilots strike, air traffic controllers going on strike. What about when petrol tanker drivers went on strike, and people could not get fuel for their cars ? Before you know where we are, half the country cannot protest, cannot go on strike, and you say we are not becoming like Russia. I can recall the EDL planning a demonstration in Rotherham as regards grooming gangs and the left, almost to a man, were up in arms about how disruptive it would be to local businesses and were demanding that the police ban the march. In the end they were relegated to a car park outside the city centre. It seems disrupting people is only acceptable if it is something the left agree with. The left are shameless hypocrites, though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 21:06:52 GMT
I can recall the EDL planning a demonstration in Rotherham as regards grooming gangs and the left, almost to a man, were up in arms about how disruptive it would be to local businesses and were demanding that the police ban the march. In the end they were relegated to a car park outside the city centre. It seems disrupting people is only acceptable if it is something the left agree with. The left are shameless hypocrites, though. The EDL are a very racist, bigoted group, who look for confrontation, and who have repeatedly been involved in violence, intimidation and vandalism. I personaly am a Monarchist, a Royalist, I have sworn alegience to the Crown, but I would defend to the death the right of anti monarchist protestors to protest or demonstrate during the coronation. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 21:17:32 GMT
I couldn't see a single racist view on the EDL's website. I didn't think it was up to you to decide who is or isn't allowed to protest.
They had no issues with Jewish or Hindu people and even had civilised exchanges with the odd Muslim. They were open to multiethnic society. In fact, many thought of them as Zionist and multicultural in their narrative, so wasn't liked at both ends. The old school fascists didn't like them and neither did the loony left, who are known to throw rocks and molotovs toward the police in acts of intimidation and vandalism.
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Post by sandypine on May 3, 2023 21:48:08 GMT
The left are shameless hypocrites, though. The EDL are a very racist, bigoted group, who look for confrontation, and who have repeatedly been involved in violence, intimidation and vandalism. I personaly am a Monarchist, a Royalist, I have sworn alegience to the Crown, but I would defend to the death the right of anti monarchist protestors to protest or demonstrate during the coronation. So to be clear, the right to protest and disrupt depends on your view of who is doing the protesting and disrupting. If you think they are racist and bigoted then they have no right to protest. At least we know where you stand which is not an unusual leftish position. I think the worrying thing is that you believe that you are not being hypocritical at all and honestly believe you have the white hot force of morality behind you. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 6:43:55 GMT
Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. If only it was a simple as that, the Police not only have to uphold the Law and Enforce, they also have to abide by it otherwise they get sued Do you think they should not have to abide by the law, this does appear to be saying? |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2023 6:45:50 GMT
We are all now 'eligible' to be stopped and search for no reason as we go about our daily business.
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 7:17:36 GMT
Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. The police have had the powers at their disposal to deal accordingly with these protesters, they just haven't used them, it is a criminal offense to purposely block a emergency services vehicle such as a ambulance, and if you don't believe just try it.
Section 1 of the emergency Workers Obstruction Act
1Obstructing or hindering certain emergency workers responding to emergency circumstances. (1)A person who without reasonable excuse obstructs or hinders another while that other person is, in a capacity mentioned in subsection (2) below, responding to emergency circumstances, commits an offence.
The police have always had the power to arrest these protesters without question, the police seem to get a buzz out of pissing people off, while playing politics at teh same time.
Yes there is legislation in relation to obstructing Emergency Workers and it is an offence which carries a fine of up to £5,000, but under certain circumstances preventing them doing their job, which is set out in the legislation Don't get me wrong I want these people who do not protest peacefully that cause serious disrupting to people like you and I going about our daily lives, arrested and dealt with as harshly as the Law allows, the additions to the Legislation relating to Protesting has come about because of their behaviour, As for the Police they are probably more pissed of with them that you and I are, days off cancelled with little or no notice , longer working hours, having to listen to their ranting and shouting, when they make arrests they can't go home until the paperwork is done etc |
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 7:38:45 GMT
The left are shameless hypocrites, though. The EDL are a very racist, bigoted group, who look for confrontation, and who have repeatedly been involved in violence, intimidation and vandalism. I personaly am a Monarchist, a Royalist, I have sworn alegience to the Crown, but I would defend to the death the right of anti monarchist protestors to protest or demonstrate during the coronation. The reason the EDL was refused permission to march the route they wanted to use was a predominantly Asian area which could have resulted in violence, hence the Police told them no which they can still do As for Political Violence on our streets over the last 50 years the majority of that has been orchestrated by the far left, who outnumber the far right I am also a Monarchist I also have sown Allegiance to the Crown years ago , there will be a Protest Rally by Republicans during the Coronation which will be held in Trafalgar Square which is on the route of the Coronation as long as they behave accordingly not a problem it is their right to protest, |
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 7:41:19 GMT
If only it was a simple as that, the Police not only have to uphold the Law and Enforce, they also have to abide by it otherwise they get sued Do you think they should not have to abide by the law, this does appear to be saying? Is English your second language ? which bit of " Police have to abide by the Law" do you not understand |
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 7:46:19 GMT
We are all now 'eligible' to be stopped and search for no reason as we go about our daily business. More Bollocks , if you are part of a Protest and you suspected of being in possession of articles to cause criminal damage, paint , glue to stick yourself to a bus or what ever, the Police can search you and probably arrest you for going equipped to case criminal damage. You really do need to get out more, ask Matron if you can go out and play in the Park for an hour or two  |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 4, 2023 7:47:15 GMT
The police have had the powers at their disposal to deal accordingly with these protesters, they just haven't used them, it is a criminal offense to purposely block a emergency services vehicle such as a ambulance, and if you don't believe just try it.
Section 1 of the emergency Workers Obstruction Act
1Obstructing or hindering certain emergency workers responding to emergency circumstances. (1)A person who without reasonable excuse obstructs or hinders another while that other person is, in a capacity mentioned in subsection (2) below, responding to emergency circumstances, commits an offence.
The police have always had the power to arrest these protesters without question, the police seem to get a buzz out of pissing people off, while playing politics at teh same time.
Yes there is legislation in relation to obstructing Emergency Workers and it is an offence which carries a fine of up to £5,000, but under certain circumstances preventing them doing their job, which is set out in the legislation Don't get me wrong I want these people who do not protest peacefully that cause serious disrupting to people like you and I going about our daily lives, arrested and dealt with as harshly as the Law allows, the additions to the Legislation relating to Protesting has come about because of their behaviour, As for the Police they are probably more pissed of with them that you and I are, days off cancelled with little or no notice , longer working hours, having to listen to their ranting and shouting, when they make arrests they can't go home until the paperwork is done etc In fairness they aren't violent or rioting, I suppose the word is irritating, but nevertheless their actions are endangering life, including their own.
The police have a duty to protect the safety of the public and to protect the safety of the protesters, we have seen ambulances caught up in this mayhem, and the courts have been somewhat lenient in sentencing, some of these protesters have been before the courts more than once, and still continue. We can't have a two tier justice system, the stop oil protesters breaking the law keep getting a slap on the wrist, while the serial shoplifter gets prison.
The police and courts should treat all people breaking the law with the same equal contempt, showing now favoritism to one set of offenders, otherwise we will go down a slippery slope.
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Post by Handyman on May 4, 2023 7:48:32 GMT
I am not surprised the general public kicked up a fuss and rightly so, however it was the Police that asked for additional powers to deal with the Protesters they can only make arrests if they witness a criminal offence being committed and it has a power of arrest attached to it , not all offences do, the local Senior Officer can now bring in the new Legislation to order them off the roads no more walking slowly to hold up traffic, etc The 1980 Highways act gave them that power already. Yes it has been in place for years |
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