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Post by Fairsociety on May 3, 2023 8:32:44 GMT
Protest is fine just so long as it does not resort to violence, and does not result in criminal damage or put lives at risk. Protest is fine if it inconveniences people, and protest is fine if it is loud What the government have effectively done is to render meaningful protest as useless and pointless, and I now sincerely hope that this backfires on the government, preferebly this weekend when the whole world is watching. If a protest consists of thousands of people, and the new law stipulates that a protest cannot block a road, then where does the protest go to ?, on the pavement ?. Slippery road, we are on the road to Russia and North Korea here Protesters have the advantage of the most powerful tools they've ever had, the internet and social media, which reaches far more people and has far more impact that loonybins obstructing traffic, the days of protesters blocking roads and climbing up trees went out of fashion with flared trousers, back in the day protesters would have loved this powerful tool, there is a true saying the pen is mightier than the sword, or in this case they keyboard. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 9:06:04 GMT
Protest always disrupt - otherwise whats the point ?
A strike by train drivers - disrupts
A strike by teachers - disrupts
A peaceful protest against Fracking is meant to disrupt
A protest against what many believe to be an unjust law is meant to disrupt - its protest, as in for example the Poll Tax protests.
The new law and the way in which it was rushed through Parliament will no doubt infuriate many people, its almost an invitation to disrupt this weekends events in London.
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Post by Fairsociety on May 3, 2023 9:24:19 GMT
Protest always disrupt - otherwise whats the point ? A strike by train drivers - disrupts A strike by teachers - disrupts A peaceful protest against Fracking is meant to disrupt A protest against what many believe to be an unjust law is meant to disrupt - its protest, as in for example the Poll Tax protests. The new law and the way in which it was rushed through Parliament will no doubt infuriate many people, its almost an invitation to disrupt this weekends events in London. Online trolls apparently are far more effective, you only have read about the racial abuse black footballers get if they miss a peno, the police are involved, all the woke snowflakes join in, it has a big impact, someone protesting waving a banner at them, or standing in front of their Bentley's will have little or no impact.
That is how powerful the internet has become, if you actually take time to look at the protesters they are half baked, bored serial protesters, with far too much time on their hands, who end up as rent a crowd, retired, or wealthy eccentrics, wasn't their hypocrite leader filling her shopping trolley full of plastic packing fruit and veg that had been shipped from the far reaches of the world, so she could buy it, then take it home in her diesel car .... LOL
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Post by Handyman on May 3, 2023 11:23:40 GMT
How can anyone with just the one head be so daft as you, you really have a talent for stupidity and guess work  I have been on one Protest March I took part in the million strong march in London to try and get the worst Government my country has ever had , to try a get Tony Blair and Labour to stop taking my country to war in Iraq, he and they did not listen. If anyone wants to act on my behalf as you think, perhaps they should have the decency to ask me my opinion they never have. As for the Tories wanting to stop protest LOB another figment of your imagination and guessing wrongly again , I would suggest that you read the Legislation on Protests, it is quite simple but I know you would not understand it by what you have posted above. The Government are not trying to ban protest our right to protest peacefully which is a right we all have and have had for decades is still in place there is no intention of it being removed. The biggest threat to our right to protests are the people who do not protest peacefully totally unauthorised they just arrive block the roads, motorways , damage buildings , splash oil and paint everywhere , glue themselves to planes and tube trains, stop people getting to work , hospital appointments , costing the taxpayers money , wasting hours of Police time, more taxpayers money to prosecute them in Court, and if sent to Prison more of taxpayers money wasted. I am surprised but I did not see you there. So when a million people walked through London they did not cause disruption. You will not have that right in the future. Of course a protest causes inconvenience for a short time on the planed route , the new tactics used by Extinction Rebellion, Stop Oil are designed to cause as much disruption as possible in several different areas at the same time |
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Post by sandypine on May 3, 2023 11:28:08 GMT
I disagree the Police in London have arrested a large number of protesters almost daily, that is why there about 400 Officers that are brought into Central London to deal with them on a regular basis, that means they are not available to deal with crimes in the Boroughs they are supposed to be, there is not enough of them to deal with everything even before these fanatical protesters started their antics The new additions to Legislation have made to make it easier for Police to deal with the protesters that cause the public serious problems, and make more arrests, which will probably mean the protesters may well change tactics again If the general public had not kicked up such a stink about how the police were failing in their duty to protect the public from these protesters they would still be making them cups of tea, and wrapping blankets round them.
It's public pressure and the Home Secretary who has had to shame them in to doing what the tax payers pay them to do 'their job', it beggars belief that the public and the Home Secretary have had to intervene, we have witnessed the police being high handed and aggressive with the frustrated drivers who have been obstructed from going about their business, including emergency services, which has rubbed salt in to the wound.
They did not need new legislation, the police had the power in many cases to arrest protestors but for some reason were stopped from using those powers. Perhaps the creation of new powers has further reach than expected and will be used against others with more effect. Criminal damage to ULEZ cameras may now have much stiffer sentences. We do not just live in interesting times but very worrying times. |
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Post by Handyman on May 3, 2023 11:31:00 GMT
I disagree the Police in London have arrested a large number of protesters almost daily, that is why there about 400 Officers that are brought into Central London to deal with them on a regular basis, that means they are not available to deal with crimes in the Boroughs they are supposed to be, there is not enough of them to deal with everything even before these fanatical protesters started their antics The new additions to Legislation have made to make it easier for Police to deal with the protesters that cause the public serious problems, and make more arrests, which will probably mean the protesters may well change tactics again If the general public had not kicked up such a stink about how the police were failing in their duty to protect the public from these protesters they would still be making them cups of tea, and wrapping blankets round them.
It's public pressure and the Home Secretary who has had to shame them in to doing what the tax payers pay them to do 'their job', it beggars belief that the public and the Home Secretary have had to intervene, we have witnessed the police being high handed and aggressive with the frustrated drivers who have been obstructed from going about their business, including emergency services, which has rubbed salt in to the wound.
I am not surprised the general public kicked up a fuss and rightly so, however it was the Police that asked for additional powers to deal with the Protesters they can only make arrests if they witness a criminal offence being committed and it has a power of arrest attached to it , not all offences do, the local Senior Officer can now bring in the new Legislation to order them off the roads no more walking slowly to hold up traffic, etc |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 3, 2023 11:33:27 GMT
If the general public had not kicked up such a stink about how the police were failing in their duty to protect the public from these protesters they would still be making them cups of tea, and wrapping blankets round them.
It's public pressure and the Home Secretary who has had to shame them in to doing what the tax payers pay them to do 'their job', it beggars belief that the public and the Home Secretary have had to intervene, we have witnessed the police being high handed and aggressive with the frustrated drivers who have been obstructed from going about their business, including emergency services, which has rubbed salt in to the wound.
They did not need new legislation, the police had the power in many cases to arrest protestors but for some reason were stopped from using those powers. Perhaps the creation of new powers has further reach than expected and will be used against others with more effect. Criminal damage to ULEZ cameras may now have much stiffer sentences. We do not just live in interesting times but very worrying times. Bang on, now money is involved and the motorists have rebelled now the police must do their duty, the new powers haven't been brought in to tackle half baked protesters from annoying motorists, it's been brought in to catch motorists who are fed up with Khan using them as cash cows. |
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Post by sandypine on May 3, 2023 11:34:15 GMT
If the general public had not kicked up such a stink about how the police were failing in their duty to protect the public from these protesters they would still be making them cups of tea, and wrapping blankets round them.
It's public pressure and the Home Secretary who has had to shame them in to doing what the tax payers pay them to do 'their job', it beggars belief that the public and the Home Secretary have had to intervene, we have witnessed the police being high handed and aggressive with the frustrated drivers who have been obstructed from going about their business, including emergency services, which has rubbed salt in to the wound.
I am not surprised the general public kicked up a fuss and rightly so, however it was the Police that asked for additional powers to deal with the Protesters they can only make arrests if they witness a criminal offence being committed and it has a power of arrest attached to it , not all offences do, the local Senior Officer can now bring in the new Legislation to order them off the roads no more walking slowly to hold up traffic, etc The 1980 Highways act gave them that power already. |
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Post by Handyman on May 3, 2023 11:36:10 GMT
If the general public had not kicked up such a stink about how the police were failing in their duty to protect the public from these protesters they would still be making them cups of tea, and wrapping blankets round them.
It's public pressure and the Home Secretary who has had to shame them in to doing what the tax payers pay them to do 'their job', it beggars belief that the public and the Home Secretary have had to intervene, we have witnessed the police being high handed and aggressive with the frustrated drivers who have been obstructed from going about their business, including emergency services, which has rubbed salt in to the wound.
They did not need new legislation, the police had the power in many cases to arrest protestors but for some reason were stopped from using those powers. Perhaps the creation of new powers has further reach than expected and will be used against others with more effect. Criminal damage to ULEZ cameras may now have much stiffer sentences. We do not just live in interesting times but very worrying times. Why did the Government bother to bring in new legislation then ? Police can only arrest if the Offence has a power of arrest attached to it, Criminal Damage has been an arrestable Offence for years , I can understand drivers get very angry, but that does not mean they can assault protesters and risk being arrested themselves, that is why Police get involved to prevent an escalation of violence . |
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Post by Handyman on May 3, 2023 11:38:17 GMT
I am not surprised the general public kicked up a fuss and rightly so, however it was the Police that asked for additional powers to deal with the Protesters they can only make arrests if they witness a criminal offence being committed and it has a power of arrest attached to it , not all offences do, the local Senior Officer can now bring in the new Legislation to order them off the roads no more walking slowly to hold up traffic, etc The 1980 Highways act gave them that power already. That has been in place for years nothing new, but again the Police have to stay within the rules, they have made lots of arrests for that |
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Post by Red Rackham on May 3, 2023 11:49:03 GMT
As of tomorrow disruptive protesters that block roads, or chain themselves to doors each other or glue themselves to the road, will now face tougher sentencing. Protesters who block roads will face up to 12 months behind bars from Wednesday as new criminal offences for disruptive demonstrations come into force. The measures in the Public Order Act, which received royal assent on Tuesday, will give police the powers to stop disruption at major sporting and cultural events this summer in England and Wales, the Home Office said. A new offence of “interfering with key national infrastructure” such as oil refineries, airports and railways could carry a maximum sentence of 12 months in prison and an unlimited fine. Anyone who “locks on” to other people, objects or buildings could go to prison for six months and face an unlimited fine. Officers will also be able to search protesters for padlocks, glue and digging tools, with people intending to use them to cause disruption also facing criminal charges. The tougher penalties are aimed at curbing the guerrilla tactics used by groups such as Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion. Home Secretary Suella Braverman said: “The public shouldn’t have their daily lives ruined by so called ‘eco-warriors’ causing disruption and wasting millions of pounds of taxpayer money. “The selfish minority must not be allowed to get away with this. We are giving our police and courts the tools they need to stop this chaos and I back them in making full use of these powers.” Good Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. |
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Post by Fairsociety on May 3, 2023 11:58:04 GMT
As of tomorrow disruptive protesters that block roads, or chain themselves to doors each other or glue themselves to the road, will now face tougher sentencing. Protesters who block roads will face up to 12 months behind bars from Wednesday as new criminal offences for disruptive demonstrations come into force. The measures in the Public Order Act, which received royal assent on Tuesday, will give police the powers to stop disruption at major sporting and cultural events this summer in England and Wales, the Home Office said. A new offence of “interfering with key national infrastructure” such as oil refineries, airports and railways could carry a maximum sentence of 12 months in prison and an unlimited fine. Anyone who “locks on” to other people, objects or buildings could go to prison for six months and face an unlimited fine. Officers will also be able to search protesters for padlocks, glue and digging tools, with people intending to use them to cause disruption also facing criminal charges. The tougher penalties are aimed at curbing the guerrilla tactics used by groups such as Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion. Home Secretary Suella Braverman said: “The public shouldn’t have their daily lives ruined by so called ‘eco-warriors’ causing disruption and wasting millions of pounds of taxpayer money. “The selfish minority must not be allowed to get away with this. We are giving our police and courts the tools they need to stop this chaos and I back them in making full use of these powers.” Good Well you say 'good' Handyman, but I'll believe it when it happens. It seems to me that regardless of what law the government introduce the police will choose which laws they implement and which laws they ignore. As I've said previously, it is already an offence to wilfully block the public highway. New legislation is not necessary, what is necessary is for the Home Secretary to remove chief constables who's officers do not enforce the law. The police have had the powers at their disposal to deal accordingly with these protesters, they just haven't used them, it is a criminal offense to purposely block a emergency services vehicle such as a ambulance, and if you don't believe just try it.
Section 1 of the emergency Workers Obstruction Act
1Obstructing or hindering certain emergency workers responding to emergency circumstances. (1)A person who without reasonable excuse obstructs or hinders another while that other person is, in a capacity mentioned in subsection (2) below, responding to emergency circumstances, commits an offence.
The police have always had the power to arrest these protesters without question, the police seem to get a buzz out of pissing people off, while playing politics at teh same time.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 3, 2023 12:00:49 GMT
Protest is fine just so long as it does not resort to violence, and does not result in criminal damage or put lives at risk. Protest is fine if it inconveniences people, and protest is fine if it is loud What the government have effectively done is to render meaningful protest as useless and pointless, and I now sincerely hope that this backfires on the government, preferebly this weekend when the whole world is watching. If a protest consists of thousands of people, and the new law stipulates that a protest cannot block a road, then where does the protest go to ?, on the pavement ?. Slippery road, we are on the road to Russia and North Korea here Protest is indeed fine, as long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business. On protesting the law says: 'People are free to gather and to demonstrate as long as they do so within the law. People have a right to be free to carry out their lawful business'.Anyone who thinks this country is anything remotely like Russia or North Korea is quite frankly, thick. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 12:33:00 GMT
Protest is fine just so long as it does not resort to violence, and does not result in criminal damage or put lives at risk. Protest is fine if it inconveniences people, and protest is fine if it is loud What the government have effectively done is to render meaningful protest as useless and pointless, and I now sincerely hope that this backfires on the government, preferebly this weekend when the whole world is watching. If a protest consists of thousands of people, and the new law stipulates that a protest cannot block a road, then where does the protest go to ?, on the pavement ?. Slippery road, we are on the road to Russia and North Korea here Protest is indeed fine, as long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business. On protesting the law says: 'People are free to gather and to demonstrate as long as they do so within the law. People have a right to be free to carry out their lawful business'.Anyone who thinks this country is anything remotely like Russia or North Korea is quite frankly, thick. "As long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business" ? You mean like a train drivers strike, or a bus drivers strike, or a tube strike in London, or teachers going on strike which impacts on parents, or an air pilots strike, air traffic controllers going on strike. What about when petrol tanker drivers went on strike, and people could not get fuel for their cars ? Before you know where we are, half the country cannot protest, cannot go on strike, and you say we are not becoming like Russia. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 13:59:55 GMT
Protest is fine just so long as it does not resort to violence, and does not result in criminal damage or put lives at risk. Protest is fine if it inconveniences people, and protest is fine if it is loud What the government have effectively done is to render meaningful protest as useless and pointless, and I now sincerely hope that this backfires on the government, preferebly this weekend when the whole world is watching. If a protest consists of thousands of people, and the new law stipulates that a protest cannot block a road, then where does the protest go to ?, on the pavement ?. Slippery road, we are on the road to Russia and North Korea here Protest is indeed fine, as long as it does not stop people going about their lawful business. On protesting the law says: 'People are free to gather and to demonstrate as long as they do so within the law. People have a right to be free to carry out their lawful business'.Anyone who thinks this country is anything remotely like Russia or North Korea is quite frankly, thick. Give it time. |
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