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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 16:50:03 GMT
That sounds rather dramatic, although we have yet to see their manifesto it is likely that the broad idea will be to stop net zero from causing us personal and national bankruptcy, put people who illegally enter our country in prison before deporting them, using our freedoms from EU rules to lower/remove VAT, reduce personal income tax for all and remove completely for the lower paid, half the number of civil servants and make the remainder actually go to the office and do their jobs, encourage small business and one man band companies to flourish, defund the BBC, stop ULEZ and remove cycle lanes from main roads. That may dismay you, but don't do anything hasty, it might be for the better, you never know. In other words a whole heap of uncosted right wing nonsense laced with climate change denial and with economic echoes of Truss style economic orthodoxy. What could possibly go wrong? lol. This country was almost bankrupted by Truss. It certainly cannot afford Reform. And if you think such an offering appeals to anyone other than right wingers who think even the Tories are not right wing enough, you are dreaming. But by all means vote for them, the more the merrier. They will be taking most of their votes from the Tories with a prospectus like that. Starmer will love you.
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Post by Pacifico on May 3, 2023 16:51:51 GMT
Starmer is a loser for Labour, as I've so often said, he is the living proof that you don't need to be of great intelligence to be a lawyer and boy, is he dim. As for Fat Boris, he and Starmer should be buried in the same grave so they can spend eternity telling each other lies. This country needs a political revolution, as a party. only Reform can do that. If Reform is our only hope we might as well all commit mass suicide. Reform want to bring in PR - if they achieve that you will be able to vote for real Socialists again.
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Post by see2 on May 3, 2023 16:52:20 GMT
Don't be silly, Owen Jones is so far to the left of Starmer he doesn't even have the capacity to give an unbiased comment on him. Don't be silly, you are so far to the right of Owen Jones that you don't have the capacity to give an unbiased comment on him. Being to the (center) right of Owen Jones classes me amongst the intelligent non-extremists amongst the electorate, i.e. head and shoulders above Hard Line fixed opinionated Lefties and hard line fixed opinionated righties. The door is open for the fixed opinionated hard liners to join the real world.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 16:55:42 GMT
Starmer is a loser for Labour, as I've so often said, he is the living proof that you don't need to be of great intelligence to be a lawyer and boy, is he dim. As for Fat Boris, he and Starmer should be buried in the same grave so they can spend eternity telling each other lies. This country needs a political revolution, as a party. only Reform can do that. The accusations of lies by Starmer are nothing more than the insinuations made about his facing up to the reality of now being the Labour leader who is now responsible for the future of the Labour party. Desperate Tory supporters, (not yourself) are frightened sh**less of a second coming of a New Labour style government. All 'reform' (i.e. Fox TV style nonsense) can do, is to lead the country into the dangerous world of Right-Wing politics. So doing something different after being elected to what he promised before being elected is "facing up to reality" is it? lol. In which case he should have "faced up to reality" when touting for votes. But lying worked better. A man like that leading a party of unprincipled careerists who think just like him can never be trusted to keep any promises he makes to the electorate. After all, once he gains power and no longer needs our votes anymore, he might be tempted to "face up to reality" again. lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 16:58:01 GMT
If Reform is our only hope we might as well all commit mass suicide. Reform want to bring in PR - if they achieve that you will be able to vote for real Socialists again. Every party bar Labour and the Tories want to bring in PR, including socialist ones. I don't need to back a bunch of Trussite, hard thatcherite, climate change deniers to support PR
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Post by see2 on May 3, 2023 17:00:40 GMT
If Reform is our only hope we might as well all commit mass suicide. Reform want to bring in PR - if they achieve that you will be able to vote for real Socialists again. "Wanting to" is not quite the same as would do. Even so, given the easily led stupidity of the UK electorate (i.e. 11 years of Thatcherism) PR is more likely to give some extremists more say in the political world. So that IMO would be one more reason to avoid voting for Reform.
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Post by om15 on May 3, 2023 17:05:37 GMT
Not without good reason, the more we peer into the murky depths of Starmers rather nasty anti sematic Tory haters the more frightened we become. Over the next year the Labour Party will be under the spotlight and I suspect we will all be left with the feeling that they simply aren't up to scratch.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 17:06:47 GMT
Don't be silly, you are so far to the right of Owen Jones that you don't have the capacity to give an unbiased comment on him. Being to the (center) right of Owen Jones classes me amongst the intelligent non-extremists amongst the electorate, i.e. head and shoulders above Hard Line fixed opinionated Lefties and hard line fixed opinionated righties. The door is open for the fixed opinionated hard liners to join the real world. You are forever calling everyone else biased - it appears to be your favourite label - and seem to believe that you are the only unbiased one around here. Which is quite funny really because the rest of us can easily see how hopelessly biased you are. Never a bad word or even mild criticism of your own side - you dont even seem capable of it. Your inherent bias is more sycophantically absolute than anyone else's around here. You come across as a New Labour sycophant, almost like some kind of cult follower. They can do no wrong and you seem to worship the ground they walk on. Yet you laughably think you are the sole unbiased one around here. lol. If Tony Blair said he could walk on water, you'd probably insist it was true, lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 17:08:12 GMT
Reform want to bring in PR - if they achieve that you will be able to vote for real Socialists again. "Wanting to" is not quite the same as would do. Even so, given the easily led stupidity of the UK electorate (i.e. 11 years of Thatcherism) PR is more likely to give some extremists more say in the political world. So that IMO would be one more reason to avoid voting for Reform. You want to avoid voting reform because your beloved New Labour could never win a majority under a fair system.
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Post by see2 on May 3, 2023 17:12:42 GMT
The accusations of lies by Starmer are nothing more than the insinuations made about his facing up to the reality of now being the Labour leader who is now responsible for the future of the Labour party. Desperate Tory supporters, (not yourself) are frightened sh**less of a second coming of a New Labour style government. All 'reform' (i.e. Fox TV style nonsense) can do, is to lead the country into the dangerous world of Right-Wing politics. So doing something different after being elected to what he promised before being elected is "facing up to reality" is it? lol. In which case he should have "faced up to reality" when touting for votes. But lying worked better. A man like that leading a party of unprincipled careerists who think just like him can never be trusted to keep any promises he makes to the electorate. After all, once he gains power and no longer needs our votes anymore, he might be tempted to "face up to reality" again. lol. One only faces up to reality when one is faced with reality. Starmer no doubt still believes in many of the things he stood for under Corbyn but is intelligent enough to know that: 1. This is a capitalist country with many Conservative voters wanting many of the same things that many Labour voters also want. 2. He is intelligent enough to know that hard liners are in fact advocating a political revolution, and right or wrong, that does not sit well with the UK electorate. So shame on you and your convictions that have no room for a different approach in UK politics.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 17:13:25 GMT
Not without good reason, the more we peer into the murky depths of Starmers rather nasty anti sematic Tory haters the more frightened we become. Over the next year the Labour Party will be under the spotlight and I suspect we will all be left with the feeling that they simply aren't up to scratch. The problem here is that the Tories are so totally and utterly and obviously shit that they are Starmer's best asset. However rubbish Labour is they cannot possibly be as bad as the Tories might well be a frequently occurring thought in the minds of many. Which is indeed a depressing state of affairs. I wish the sheeple would grow a backbone and nurture a few more functioning brain cells and vote for anyone but these two showers of shit.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 17:15:42 GMT
So doing something different after being elected to what he promised before being elected is "facing up to reality" is it? lol. In which case he should have "faced up to reality" when touting for votes. But lying worked better. A man like that leading a party of unprincipled careerists who think just like him can never be trusted to keep any promises he makes to the electorate. After all, once he gains power and no longer needs our votes anymore, he might be tempted to "face up to reality" again. lol. One only faces up to reality when one is faced with reality. Starmer no doubt still believes in many of the things he stood for under Corbyn but is intelligent enough to know that: 1. This is a capitalist country with many Conservative voters wanting many of the same things that many Labour voters also want. 2. He is intelligent enough to know that hard liners are in fact advocating a political revolution, and right or wrong, that does not sit well with the UK electorate. So shame on you and your convictions that have no room for a different approach in UK politics. Bollocks to your "shame on me" nonsense. Shame on you for being such a bloody sycophant, thinking your old retread is actually something different And incidentally, I loathe the Tories and always have. But now I equally loathe Labour, and in the case of the latter, it's personal. I have seen with my own eyes what your beloved heroes are like up close, careerist, unprincipled scumbags for whom no dirty trick, no baseless smear, no brazen lie is too low if it serves their purposes. Some of them are a bunch of absolute shits and I can say no more without identifying individuals, which would be unwise. But some of your New Labour types really are nasty pieces of work on a human level. Knowing what I know I will never vote for a party with people like that in leading positions in it locally, let alone nationally. So much as you personally may worship at the altar of New Labour, too many of them are actually not nice human beings.
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Post by see2 on May 3, 2023 17:20:08 GMT
So on the one hand, we've got a newspaper report quoting a single, unnamed source, versus a party leader who's just reiterated his pledge on national tv, knowing full well that if he's lying it gets thrown back at him forever more. Maybe it's time to give Mr S the benefit of the doubt? No, giving politicians the benefit of the doubt is what gets us into the shit we are in now But giving the opposition the benefit of the doubt for a change, just might be enough to change things for the so far mundane face of politics.
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Post by sheepy on May 3, 2023 17:23:57 GMT
No, giving politicians the benefit of the doubt is what gets us into the shit we are in now But giving the opposition the benefit of the doubt for a change, just might be enough to change things for the so far mundane face of politics. LOL that is the worst example of a party political broadcast on behalf of the Westminster party I can honestly say I have seen for a while. What the feck isn't mundane about you or your political support?
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Post by see2 on May 3, 2023 17:27:43 GMT
Not without good reason, the more we peer into the murky depths of Starmers rather nasty anti sematic Tory haters the more frightened we become. Over the next year the Labour Party will be under the spotlight and I suspect we will all be left with the feeling that they simply aren't up to scratch. Sadly you will no doubt take hook line and sinker the Tory anti-the possibility of a New-Labour style government. Remember it was New Labour that kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history. If you were in the Tories propaganda machine wouldn't you be backing all the insinuations and the denigrations being thrown against Starmer?
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