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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 8:09:58 GMT
Exactly so you come on here un-armed and expect us to give your views and opinions respect. Thanks for clearing that one up... Did you not see the Link. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 25, 2022 8:14:38 GMT
The fact is that there are a lot of posters who would refuse to accept Sunak because he's of Asian origin, not because of his politics. I won't condemn him as long as he stops all the shenanigans, fiddling and bribery the last gang of so called Tories practiced. We don't need another buffoon or chancer either.
Really? Which ones?
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Post by Morgan on Oct 25, 2022 8:18:21 GMT
The fact is that there are a lot of posters who would refuse to accept Sunak because he's of Asian origin, not because of his politics. I won't condemn him as long as he stops all the shenanigans, fiddling and bribery the last gang of so called Tories practiced. We don't need another buffoon or chancer either.
Really? Which ones?
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 25, 2022 8:26:35 GMT
Yea Morgan it wouldn't surprise me if some tory MPS don't defect to Reform uk or tory voters switch to Reform uk
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Post by vlk on Oct 25, 2022 9:57:06 GMT
PMs are not elected. MPs are.
Having said that this whole episode is very bad optics.
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Post by dappy on Oct 25, 2022 10:02:24 GMT
That is indeed the constitutional position, VLK but not completely the de facto position.
Realistically there is no chance of an election now (earliest surely May next year, more likely October 24) but maybe after the next election as part of a bill to introduce PR, we should also introduce a provision mandating that an election should be required to follow within six months of a new PM being installed to ensure that that PM has a proper mandate.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 25, 2022 11:12:10 GMT
How many of them have you asked, or even know? or just guessing again, Sunak was the clear leader v Truss, but the Tory membership did not elect him. linkI know they did not ask the Tory Party Members this time as it would have taken too long, a good decision IMO they need get on with the huge job in hand to get the UK back up an running |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:19:04 GMT
PMs are not elected. MPs are. Having said that this whole episode is very bad optics. I have heard this numerous times, but it does not really hold water. The Conservatives were voted in to 'get Brexit done' a campaign led by Johnson and others. During the election were the Conservatives won an 80-seat majority it was based on this claim and members of the public, especially in the 'red wall' constituencies voted for Boris because his mantra was 'get Brexit' done and people were fed up with it. Johnson himself claimed that 'he' had won the Conservatives an 80-seat majority. PMs are not elected but, in this case, Johnson played a very influential part. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2022 11:20:14 GMT
PMs are not elected. MPs are. Having said that this whole episode is very bad optics. I have heard this numerous times, but it does not really hold water. The Conservatives were voted in to 'get Brexit done' a campaign led by Johnson and others. During the election were the Conservatives won an 80-seat majority it was based on this claim and members of the public, especially in the 'red wall' constituencies voted for Boris because his mantra was 'get Brexit' done and people were fed up with it. Johnson himself claimed that 'he' had won the Conservatives an 80-seat majority. PMs are not elected but, in this case, Johnson played a very influential part. Why the rush they've had 12 years and failed miserably. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 4:53:46 GMT
And how long would it take to organise and carry out a GE, much longer with nobody running the Country everything would be on hold, more damage to our economy. Sunak will have to get his arse in gear starting today So, every time we have a GE there is no government, don't talk daft. Not sure if you are acting like you don't understand what I said, or you genuinely don't but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. My point was that having leadership contest after leadership contest and the constant bickering of Tory hopefuls while the country is in an absolute mess of their making is like having no one at the helm, making the decisions that this country needs at this time. The Tories are far too concerned about their jobs and standing to worry about what is happening to the 'little folk'. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 26, 2022 10:58:40 GMT
If I understand you, then I will worry
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 11:58:53 GMT
So, every time we have a GE there is no government, don't talk daft. Of course, but they are not called in the middle of an economic crisis and Covid still about, now that would be daft, they are usually planned and there is a set time when an GE is scheduled automatically Not at all GEs can be called at any time and generally because the government is making a hash of running the country if a vote in parliament says it should be so. GEs are pencilled in for every five years, or is it four again they keep changing the rules, but it has to be held then, not Covid or Putin could stop it, possibly a war on our shores could. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 26, 2022 12:15:33 GMT
A Tory MP put it brilliantly on the radio earlier. Did Labour have a GE when Brown took over from Blair? Did Labour have a GE after the Financial Crisis, which resulted in them putting the country in a trillion pounds worth of debt? Did Labour have a GE after going to war on fake intel? He went on to say that there were widespread calls for a GE on each of those occasions, but Labour ignored them, because that is the game of politics. There was no leadership contest when Brown took over from Blair and the deputy had resigned as well. The Tories had a leadership, contest taking up weeks of valuable time, when prices were spiralling and interest rates going up. The financial crisis was a world-wide crisis, not caused by the UK government but Truss caused the run on the pound by her stupidity. The idea of fake intel is that you do not know its fake till months or years later, they had an election before it was public knowledge. The Tories have had four 'fake' PMs since Cameron and have caused misery in the UK. Coffey should have taken over from Truss as she we deputy leader. This is a shambles. We need an election. That's funny, I specifically remember voting for Blair three times... I never voted for Brown. Everybody knew it was fake, Dr David Kelly's "suicide" in the woods gave that away!! The UK had nothing to do with the financial crisis? lol. What utter bullshit. Labour had a policy of letting everybody "getting filthy rich" so they sat back and did nothing while a personal debt bubble built up, and people were allowed mortgages based on "signing a piece of paper to say they could afford it" rather than providing credible proof. Yes, it started off in the US, but the UK and many EU countries were exposed because of a lack of regulation!! If this is wrong, why did they tighten the rules afterwards? lol. You can cry all you want, you ain't getting a general election. Labour didn't have one in the three examples I have shown despite massive calls for one, so why should the Tories have one now and face being wiped out? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 26, 2022 12:34:02 GMT
There was no leadership contest when Brown took over from Blair and the deputy had resigned as well. The Tories had a leadership, contest taking up weeks of valuable time, when prices were spiralling and interest rates going up. The financial crisis was a world-wide crisis, not caused by the UK government but Truss caused the run on the pound by her stupidity. The idea of fake intel is that you do not know its fake till months or years later, they had an election before it was public knowledge. The Tories have had four 'fake' PMs since Cameron and have caused misery in the UK. Coffey should have taken over from Truss as she we deputy leader. This is a shambles. We need an election. That's funny, I specifically remember voting for Blair three times... I never voted for Brown. Everybody knew it was fake, Dr David Kelly's "suicide" in the woods gave that away!! The UK had nothing to do with the financial crisis? lol. What utter bullshit. Labour had a policy of letting everybody "getting filthy rich" so they sat back and did nothing while a personal debt bubble built up, and people were allowed mortgages based on "signing a piece of paper to say they could afford it" rather than providing credible proof. Yes, it started off in the US, but the UK and many EU countries were exposed because of a lack of regulation!! If this is wrong, why did they tighten the rules afterwards? lol. You can cry all you want, you ain't getting a general election. Labour didn't have one in the three examples I have shown despite massive calls for one, so why should the Tories have one now and face being wiped out? The labour party always rely on the public having selective amnesia on their shattered economic record and previous inglorious time in power. The labour party attack dogs are out in force on many forums trying to whitewash their share of the blame for the 2008 financial crash , bankrupting the uk and where possible lay the blame at anyone and everyones elses feet.
If keir starmer takes power , he will take the uk back into the EU and humiliate England on a par not seen since the norman invasion of 1066.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2022 12:41:27 GMT
There was no leadership contest when Brown took over from Blair and the deputy had resigned as well. The Tories had a leadership, contest taking up weeks of valuable time, when prices were spiralling and interest rates going up. The financial crisis was a world-wide crisis, not caused by the UK government but Truss caused the run on the pound by her stupidity. The idea of fake intel is that you do not know its fake till months or years later, they had an election before it was public knowledge. The Tories have had four 'fake' PMs since Cameron and have caused misery in the UK. Coffey should have taken over from Truss as she we deputy leader. This is a shambles. We need an election. That's funny, I specifically remember voting for Blair three times... I never voted for Brown. Everybody knew it was fake, Dr David Kelly's "suicide" in the woods gave that away!! The UK had nothing to do with the financial crisis? lol. What utter bullshit. Labour had a policy of letting everybody "getting filthy rich" so they sat back and did nothing while a personal debt bubble built up, and people were allowed mortgages based on "signing a piece of paper to say they could afford it" rather than providing credible proof. Yes, it started off in the US, but the UK and many EU countries were exposed because of a lack of regulation!! If this is wrong, why did they tighten the rules afterwards? lol. You can cry all you want, you ain't getting a general election. Labour didn't have one in the three examples I have shown despite massive calls for one, so why should the Tories have one now and face being wiped out? I agree when Blair resigned there should have been a GE but that was nothing like what we have now. As I said there was no election just an agreed transfer of power. I did not say the UK had nothing to do with the world-wide banking crisis, the banks in this country were just as culpable but you specifically blame the "UK government", who of course cannot cause a world-wide crash. What 3 examples have you cited? |
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