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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 13:35:06 GMT
No probably not, but then it has been made a lot easier to demonise the people whose lives are being adversely affected by said illegal immigrants. I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town. Where the condemnation might come is when they brand the whole group (All asylum seekers) as bad because of the actions of a tiny minority. But the problem is the 'tiny minority' come as part of the whole and the authorities have no idea how large that 'tiny minority' is nor who is actually part pf that 'tiny minority'. They all roll up in a boat and all come as one group. If you had a camp within a mile or so of your house would you feel your daughter was safe being out at night even if she was 21. That really is the acid test. |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 16:51:47 GMT
Its you who fails to understand. your sentence bares no relation to my words. Stop listening to the voices in your head and read the words on the page. Answer the question Zany, but then once again you probably have. As I never said people can't decide for themselves. I see no reason to address the voices in your head. |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 16:53:23 GMT
I have already said that I think the convention is out of date. My question is what replaces it. How do we offer sanctuary to those fleeing persecution and death while preventing the tidal wave of economic migrants. Forcing someone who was given refugee status to leave their new home after five years, for no better reason than 'that's what we're allowed o do' Is not what I am looking for as a Brit. I would put them to work . Provide accomodation , food of their choice , education ect in fact everything they could wish for ,a type of modern workhouse where they can feel safe and productive in the knowlege they were paying their way . I wouldn't give them any wages though , maybe a bit of pocket money for personal bits but thats it . The genuine refugee would be delighted , the economic migrant would go to Germany ,the criminal element would stay at home . And if they didn't produce enough? |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 16:58:12 GMT
Yobs are yobs. Why is it necessary to point out the colour of their skin or their continent of origin as if this is a significant factor in being a yob.By repute. So its necessary to label football Yobs as white and English? And more to label all white English youths as Yobs as well by repute. |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 17:01:21 GMT
I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town. Where the condemnation might come is when they brand the whole group (All asylum seekers) as bad because of the actions of a tiny minority. But the problem is the 'tiny minority' come as part of the whole and the authorities have no idea how large that 'tiny minority' is nor who is actually part pf that 'tiny minority'. They all roll up in a boat and all come as one group. If you had a camp within a mile or so of your house would you feel your daughter was safe being out at night even if she was 21. That really is the acid test. I wasn't referring to those going to this mad Peschiera, I fully accept they are a group. I meant lumping them in with all migrants |
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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 17:11:50 GMT
But the problem is the 'tiny minority' come as part of the whole and the authorities have no idea how large that 'tiny minority' is nor who is actually part pf that 'tiny minority'. They all roll up in a boat and all come as one group. If you had a camp within a mile or so of your house would you feel your daughter was safe being out at night even if she was 21. That really is the acid test. I wasn't referring to those going to this mad Peschiera, I fully accept they are a group. I meant lumping them in with all migrants I know exactly to whom you were referring and I ask again if a camp for 'asylum seekers' was within a mile or so of your home would you have any concerns for your daughter's safety even though it is only a 'tiny minority' that are a problem? |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 17:30:51 GMT
I wasn't referring to those going to this mad Peschiera, I fully accept they are a group. I meant lumping them in with all migrants I know exactly to whom you were referring and I ask again if a camp for 'asylum seekers' was within a mile or so of your home would you have any concerns for your daughter's safety even though it is only a 'tiny minority' that are a problem? I haven't seen you ask me that before. But the answer is yes, if the people in the camp had previous history. However I would not assume that because another camp elsewhere behaved badly, that the group near me would be the same. Of course I would be concerned for my daughters safety in any circumstance. By comparison. If a certain local neighbourhood had a reputation for young men treating girls badly, I would be concerned for my daughter, but I would not assume that all young men or all neighbourhoods were dangerous. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 4, 2023 17:39:28 GMT
I know exactly to whom you were referring and I ask again if a camp for 'asylum seekers' was within a mile or so of your home would you have any concerns for your daughter's safety even though it is only a 'tiny minority' that are a problem? I haven't seen you ask me that before. But the answer is yes, if the people in the camp had previous history. However I would not assume that because another camp elsewhere behaved badly, that the group near me would be the same. Well that is kinda the point - we have absolutely no idea who or what these people are. They are being allowed in to wander freely around the place without any attempt at vetting or assessing them. |
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Post by sandypine on May 4, 2023 17:43:35 GMT
I know exactly to whom you were referring and I ask again if a camp for 'asylum seekers' was within a mile or so of your home would you have any concerns for your daughter's safety even though it is only a 'tiny minority' that are a problem? I haven't seen you ask me that before. But the answer is yes, if the people in the camp had previous history. However I would not assume that because another camp elsewhere behaved badly, that the group near me would be the same. Of course I would be concerned for my daughters safety in any circumstance. By comparison. If a certain local neighbourhood had a reputation for young men treating girls badly, I would be concerned for my daughter, but I would not assume that all young men or all neighbourhoods were dangerous. The point is that in any of the camps there is no known history. They are an unknown quantity. All that parents can go on is risk arising from what we know of asylum seekers to date and teh countries from whence they come. It is not assuming all are bad it is assessing overall risk and a camp increases that risk for locals to a very large degree. |
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Post by sheepy on May 4, 2023 18:17:01 GMT
Answer the question Zany, but then once again you probably have. As I never said people can't decide for themselves. I see no reason to address the voices in your head. voices on the street Zany not in my head. |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 18:51:27 GMT
I haven't seen you ask me that before. But the answer is yes, if the people in the camp had previous history. However I would not assume that because another camp elsewhere behaved badly, that the group near me would be the same. Well that is kinda the point - we have absolutely no idea who or what these people are. They are being allowed in to wander freely around the place without any attempt at vetting or assessing them. Well said. Its very much the point. Any strangers in the town are a concern and especially if they come in large numbers. I am trying not to brand all asylum seekers as vile, while recognising that people should be rightly concerned about a camp popping up in their town, with individuals and groups free to roam. Don't forget (though I know you will) that I have said several times that I see no reason why they cannot be housed (locked) in camps. I am certain that if I had escaped war with my family, I would be very grateful to be in a safe camp, fed and looked after. |
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Post by zanygame on May 4, 2023 18:59:56 GMT
As I never said people can't decide for themselves. I see no reason to address the voices in your head. voices on the street Zany not in my head. I'm going to take the time to explain this to you once. Frankly I think you are one shilling short of a pound, but I'll give it a go out of politeness. I said. "I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town."So this sentence means: In my opinion a majority of people appreciate the worries of a group of local people living in a town where the British government have decided to house illegal immigrants. How can this be construed as meaning the people in the town concerned are not allowed to make up their own minds? |
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Post by sheepy on May 4, 2023 20:14:33 GMT
voices on the street Zany not in my head. I'm going to take the time to explain this to you once. Frankly I think you are one shilling short of a pound, but I'll give it a go out of politeness. I said. "I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town."So this sentence means: In my opinion a majority of people appreciate the worries of a group of local people living in a town where the British government have decided to house illegal immigrants. How can this be construed as meaning the people in the town concerned are not allowed to make up their own minds? Because not being the brightest spark in the box Zany, you tried to move the goalposts, as for your personal opinion of me, I couldn't give a flying feck. They are not genuine Asylum seekers but illegal immigrants. As we are explaining of course. |
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Post by Toreador on May 4, 2023 20:15:02 GMT
voices on the street Zany not in my head. I'm going to take the time to explain this to you once. Frankly I think you are one shilling short of a pound, but I'll give it a go out of politeness. I said. "I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town."So this sentence means: In my opinion a majority of people appreciate the worries of a group of local people living in a town where the British government have decided to house illegal immigrants. How can this be construed as meaning the people in the town concerned are not allowed to make up their own minds? By repute is once again the answer. |
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Post by sheepy on May 4, 2023 20:18:48 GMT
I'm going to take the time to explain this to you once. Frankly I think you are one shilling short of a pound, but I'll give it a go out of politeness. I said. "I think most people can understand the worries of those who are told the government are shipping a load of illegal migrants to their town."So this sentence means: In my opinion a majority of people appreciate the worries of a group of local people living in a town where the British government have decided to house illegal immigrants. How can this be construed as meaning the people in the town concerned are not allowed to make up their own minds? By repute is once again the answer. Zany has a problem when people are not buying his shit. |
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