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Post by buccaneer on May 1, 2023 7:56:46 GMT
In other words Gnome cannot bring himself to admit that is good. It's a no-no in the cult handbook of deity EU to acknowledge that a nation whilst outside the EU compared to those inside it has had better growth. No. In other words, I'm giving him a chance to check out for himself how you try and fail to cover up and then deflect from your stupid errors. Yeah, yeah. We were in the EEC/EU for over forty years. What, you're comparing the UK's growth pre-1973 with years post-1973 until year 2020? You are, aren't you??  Yeah. And it wasn't cracked up to be what you want everyone to believe it was. You talk as though it is the UK's silver bullet to a truly successful economy. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 1, 2023 7:57:33 GMT
If that's what you call it you failed spectacularly. Fine. You admit -- in a round about way, of course -- that your previous comments were an irrelevance. That's good enough. More irrelevance from Gnomey. |
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Post by Vinny on May 1, 2023 8:40:40 GMT
He's a cultist, what do you expect?
Meanwhile, our trade with the rest of the world has been consistently growing.
Our trade with the EU was falling whilst we were still members. What's the point of membership of an organisation we sell less and less to? We have a free trade agreement with it now. It might not have altered the fact that we do less and less exported trade to it, but it doesn't come with the £9bn a year membership fee, or political shackles either.
Before we left, we were selling £99.6bn a year to the USA, now we're selling £150+bn a year to the USA. We're in a position to do even more.
We can do a free trade agreement with the USA.
That's a benefit.
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Post by bancroft on May 1, 2023 13:55:36 GMT
I saw yesterday on tv an English invention to replace styrofome with mushroom fungi that would biodegrade and save us on landfill.
They are currently using and moulding this stuff for products I would think things like this we could trade mark and maket globally.
Hopefully we will see more innovations like this with the use of better usable science.
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Post by Vinny on May 2, 2023 6:17:03 GMT
Between 2000 and 2016 the percentage of our exports which went to the EU fell from 54% to 43%.
The percentage is now 42%. Source? ONS.
Had the trend of decline we'd seen when we were members continued, the percentage would be 38% and falling.
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Post by patman post on May 2, 2023 9:40:57 GMT
While overall food inflation rose 15% in the year to April, according to the figures from the BRC-NielsenIQ shop price index, fresh food prices accelerated last month to 17.8%.
I guess the advantage of Brexit is that without it, the claim can be made that food prices would have risen even more…
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Post by Vinny on May 2, 2023 9:51:35 GMT
And it has been occurring all over Europe, bizarre that the Europhiles with their 'outlook' haven't noticed this.
In Sweden inflation hit 12% during the crisis easing to 10%.
There's been high inflation all over the EU, and the rest of the world.
It isn't Brexit.
It's the war in Ukraine and the resultant impact on global fuel prices as a consequence of necessary sanctions.
Also a result of the war are reduced food supplies from Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe.
Inflation in Hungary is 25%. Is that due to Brexit? Of course not.
It's THE WAR.
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Post by buccaneer on May 2, 2023 10:05:13 GMT
And it has been occurring all over Europe, bizarre that the Europhiles with their 'outlook' haven't noticed this. In Sweden inflation hit 12% during the crisis easing to 10%. There's been high inflation all over the EU, and the rest of the world. It isn't Brexit. It's the war in Ukraine and the resultant impact on global fuel prices as a consequence of necessary sanctions. Also a result of the war are reduced food supplies from Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe. Inflation in Hungary is 25%. Is that due to Brexit? Of course not. It's THE WAR. I'm surprised Brexit hasn't been blamed for global inflation as of yet. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 2, 2023 10:20:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 10:39:33 GMT
No. In other words, I'm giving him a chance to check out for himself how you try and fail to cover up and then deflect from your stupid errors. Yeah, yeah. We were in the EEC/EU for over forty years. What, you're comparing the UK's growth pre-1973 with years post-1973 until year 2020? You are, aren't you?? Yeah. And it wasn't cracked up to be what you want everyone to believe it was. You talk as though it is the UK's silver bullet to a truly successful economy. You don't have to be an Einstein to see that despite denials, excuses, bravado, emotional blackmail from gas lighting, cult-following Brexit fundamentalists like you, the fact remains that we bent over backwards so many times just to secure an FTA with the EU to the extent that we agreed -- even to the horror and protestations of the DUP -- for NI to remain in the EU SM. And the reason for all this capitulation is because the EU has been, was, is and will always be indispensable to the economic progress of the United Kingdom. Common sense will tell you that if our EU membership wasn't cracked up to be one of the UK's greatest contributors to our economic wealth and might, then we would have left on a "no-deal" ; no questions asked; no negotiations necessary basis. But then, you don't have any sense at all -- common or otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 10:41:14 GMT
Fine. You admit -- in a round about way, of course -- that your previous comments were an irrelevance. That's good enough. More irrelevance from Gnomey. ^ Meh. Thoughtless and irrelevant. |
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Post by Pacifico on May 2, 2023 10:46:59 GMT
While overall food inflation rose 15% in the year to April, according to the figures from the BRC-NielsenIQ shop price index, fresh food prices accelerated last month to 17.8%. I guess the advantage of Brexit is that without it, the claim can be made that food prices would have risen even more… Breaking it down to sugar prices it seems we are in the middle of the pack - UK was 42% |
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Post by buccaneer on May 2, 2023 21:16:40 GMT
Yeah. And it wasn't cracked up to be what you want everyone to believe it was. You talk as though it is the UK's silver bullet to a truly successful economy. You don't have to be an Einstein to see that despite denials, excuses, bravado, emotional blackmail from gas lighting, cult-following Brexit fundamentalists like you, the fact remains that we bent over backwards so many times just to secure an FTA with the EU to the extent that we agreed -- even to the horror and protestations of the DUP -- for NI to remain in the EU SM. And the reason for all this capitulation is because the EU has been, was, is and will always be indispensable to the economic progress of the United Kingdom. Common sense will tell you that if our EU membership wasn't cracked up to be one of the UK's greatest contributors to our economic wealth and might, then we would have left on a "no-deal" ; no questions asked; no negotiations necessary basis. But then, you don't have any sense at all -- common or otherwise. Why are you still whinging and bending the knee for deity EU if the UK has a FTA deal with your beloved behemoth then? |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 23:27:11 GMT
You don't have to be an Einstein to see that despite denials, excuses, bravado, emotional blackmail from gas lighting, cult-following Brexit fundamentalists like you, the fact remains that we bent over backwards so many times just to secure an FTA with the EU to the extent that we agreed -- even to the horror and protestations of the DUP -- for NI to remain in the EU SM. And the reason for all this capitulation is because the EU has been, was, is and will always be indispensable to the economic progress of the United Kingdom. Common sense will tell you that if our EU membership wasn't cracked up to be one of the UK's greatest contributors to our economic wealth and might, then we would have left on a "no-deal" ; no questions asked; no negotiations necessary basis. But then, you don't have any sense at all -- common or otherwise. Why are you still whinging and bending the knee for deity EU if the UK has a FTA deal with your beloved behemoth then? I'm not whining. You're saying that only because, clearly, you want me to give your beloved Brexit a break. That, or you're inventing things in your head again I am a very vocal critic of Brexit fundamentalism; a belief that seeks to excuse or diminish and normalise the damage Brexit has caused. And by the way; pigmy or behemoth, I'm not kneeling before anything, thank you very much. |
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Post by buccaneer on May 2, 2023 23:47:36 GMT
Why are you still whinging and bending the knee for deity EU if the UK has a FTA deal with your beloved behemoth then? I'm not whining. You're saying that only because, clearly, you want me to give your beloved Brexit a break. That, or you're inventing things in your head again I am a very vocal critic of Brexit fundamentalism; a belief that seeks to excuse or diminish and normalise the damage Brexit has caused. And by the way; pigmy or behemoth, I'm not kneeling before anything, thank you very much. I don't think I'm inventing your unhealthy obsession over Brexit, it's all over this forum for everyone to see - it is palpable. And the problem you have with your critic of Brexit is that you blame effects of the pandemic and energy crisis onto Brexit. You dishonestly conflate these issues and lump them into the 'look what Brexit caused' argument. There is no proof either way on what effects Brexit has caused. So, not everyone is going to believe your curated narrative especially when you conflate the pandemic and energy crisis along with it. |
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