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Post by happyjack on Apr 22, 2023 20:45:19 GMT
democracy however flawed must be embraced I don’t agree, Red. Flawed democracy (certainly the Westminster version of flawed democracy) is not really democracy at all and should not be tolerated, never mind embraced. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 23, 2023 1:39:05 GMT
This assumes the civil servants know better. What basis do you make that assumption, given they are often from the same schools and universities, plus in recent times civil servants have become politicians? why do you assumw they stop learning when they leave school? A large part of their job is to know better. To research the viability, predict the national value of and to cost the cabinet's proposals. And how do you expect a minister of health who last month was the minister for transport to know how to even budget for bandages? It's a stupid and antiquated system not fit for purpose. The answer is they don't know what they are doing. China knows what it is doing. Since 2019 the number of ICU beds in that country has doubled, inflation is about 2%, the growth target was 5% but now performing at about 6.5%. Meanwhile the UK has the highest inflation of all Western economies, piss poor growth of a fraction of a percent and almost full employment. Most jobs seem to be some kind of inspector peering over the shoulder of another inspector ad infinitum. The fashion is to go on strike too. You don't get strikes in China, you get gratitude for the employment. |
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Post by zanygame on Apr 23, 2023 7:02:04 GMT
why do you assumw they stop learning when they leave school? A large part of their job is to know better. To research the viability, predict the national value of and to cost the cabinet's proposals. And how do you expect a minister of health who last month was the minister for transport to know how to even budget for bandages? It's a stupid and antiquated system not fit for purpose. The answer is they don't know what they are doing. China knows what it is doing. Since 2019 the number of ICU beds in that country has doubled, inflation is about 2%, the growth target was 5% but now performing at about 6.5%. Meanwhile the UK has the highest inflation of all Western economies, piss poor growth of a fraction of a percent and almost full employment. Most jobs seem to be some kind of inspector peering over the shoulder of another inspector ad infinitum. The fashion is to go on strike too. You don't get strikes in China, you get gratitude for the employment. This is unfair Baron. The Chinese people do not get a say in how their country is run, so they don't have to deal with things like Brexit as there would never be such a vote in China. Or are you suggesting we swap our democracy for an autocracy/meritocracy? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 23, 2023 11:50:38 GMT
It's a stupid and antiquated system not fit for purpose. The answer is they don't know what they are doing. China knows what it is doing. Since 2019 the number of ICU beds in that country has doubled, inflation is about 2%, the growth target was 5% but now performing at about 6.5%. Meanwhile the UK has the highest inflation of all Western economies, piss poor growth of a fraction of a percent and almost full employment. Most jobs seem to be some kind of inspector peering over the shoulder of another inspector ad infinitum. The fashion is to go on strike too. You don't get strikes in China, you get gratitude for the employment. This is unfair Baron. The Chinese people do not get a say in how their country is run, so they don't have to deal with things like Brexit as there would never be such a vote in China. Or are you suggesting we swap our democracy for an autocracy/meritocracy? I would trade those on the CPC for our own slackers any day of the week. Ours are lazy stupid bums, theirs are decent hard working and dedicated people. You should try listening to some interviews. They are experts and have learns their stuff. They are sophisticated with their economic analysis, ours are primary school mentality. By the way, stop putting it all down to their system. It is passing the buck from the guilty slacker to something abstract. My grumble is the pisstakers we have in important positions of power. The ousting of Raab is a key reason why this system we have that protects the slackers must go, and they must go as well, for good. Make them work in McDonalds. |
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Post by piglet on Apr 23, 2023 13:04:07 GMT
Another reason not to vote tory, as if we needed another, its the loons in charge, aided by Sunak.
For gods sake.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 13:07:07 GMT
Another reason not to vote tory, as if we needed another, its the loons in charge, aided by Sunak. For gods sake. i think piggy today , on this st georges day , is a good day for new labour to keep their heads down with the abbot debacle dont you think?
Screaming tory bad as sir keir makes another blooper isnt going to cut the mustard and relieve the flak about abbots disasterous comments and whip removal.
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Post by zanygame on Apr 23, 2023 18:33:05 GMT
This is unfair Baron. The Chinese people do not get a say in how their country is run, so they don't have to deal with things like Brexit as there would never be such a vote in China. Or are you suggesting we swap our democracy for an autocracy/meritocracy? I would trade those on the CPC for our own slackers any day of the week. Ours are lazy stupid bums, theirs are decent hard working and dedicated people. You should try listening to some interviews. They are experts and have learns their stuff. They are sophisticated with their economic analysis, ours are primary school mentality. By the way, stop putting it all down to their system. It is passing the buck from the guilty slacker to something abstract. My grumble is the pisstakers we have in important positions of power. The ousting of Raab is a key reason why this system we have that protects the slackers must go, and they must go as well, for good. Make them work in McDonalds. But would you trade your liberty for theirs? I have made my opinion clear on employees in the UK, I think worker protection has gone too far and we are producing a lot of people who assume a job is theirs by right. But I would not trade my right to vote in order to change things. I'm not blaming it all on their system, I agree their system is producing an economic power house. I am saying the price is too high. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 23, 2023 19:01:33 GMT
I would trade those on the CPC for our own slackers any day of the week. Ours are lazy stupid bums, theirs are decent hard working and dedicated people. You should try listening to some interviews. They are experts and have learns their stuff. They are sophisticated with their economic analysis, ours are primary school mentality. By the way, stop putting it all down to their system. It is passing the buck from the guilty slacker to something abstract. My grumble is the pisstakers we have in important positions of power. The ousting of Raab is a key reason why this system we have that protects the slackers must go, and they must go as well, for good. Make them work in McDonalds. But would you trade your liberty for theirs? I have made my opinion clear on employees in the UK, I think worker protection has gone too far and we are producing a lot of people who assume a job is theirs by right. But I would not trade my right to vote in order to change things. I'm not blaming it all on their system, I agree their system is producing an economic power house. I am saying the price is too high. OK well here is a theory to advance this argument. We pay for degrees now. Degrees are now a commercial product sold in the marketplace. One of the top ways to sell a degree is to convince the punter that it is their passport to a fruitful career, not a job, a thing that means employment with a rising salary until retirement and a fat pension for the rest of one's life. Now it is sold in this way you get the concept of my rights with a degree. You see how could they blame the university. The university has been like Merlin the magician and given them great powers. The fault must be that nasty greedy employer. Lets take him to a tribunal and make him pay for this demeaning treatment.
The trouble is the country can't afford these people.
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Post by zanygame on Apr 23, 2023 20:03:15 GMT
But would you trade your liberty for theirs? I have made my opinion clear on employees in the UK, I think worker protection has gone too far and we are producing a lot of people who assume a job is theirs by right. But I would not trade my right to vote in order to change things. I'm not blaming it all on their system, I agree their system is producing an economic power house. I am saying the price is too high. OK well here is a theory to advance this argument. We pay for degrees now. Degrees are now a commercial product sold in the marketplace. One of the top ways to sell a degree is to convince the punter that it is their passport to a fruitful career, not a job, a thing that means employment with a rising salary until retirement and a fat pension for the rest of one's life. Now it is sold in this way you get the concept of my rights with a degree. You see how could they blame the university. The university has been like Merlin the magician and given them great powers. The fault must be that nasty greedy employer. Lets take him to a tribunal and make him pay for this demeaning treatment.
The trouble is the country can't afford these people.
I have to question this, for while a good degree might well be considered a ticket to a good life its not an easy thing to achieve, the entry requires more than money and the award is earned not freely given. Are you claiming we don't need educated people in the UK? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 23, 2023 20:33:52 GMT
OK well here is a theory to advance this argument. We pay for degrees now. Degrees are now a commercial product sold in the marketplace. One of the top ways to sell a degree is to convince the punter that it is their passport to a fruitful career, not a job, a thing that means employment with a rising salary until retirement and a fat pension for the rest of one's life. Now it is sold in this way you get the concept of my rights with a degree. You see how could they blame the university. The university has been like Merlin the magician and given them great powers. The fault must be that nasty greedy employer. Lets take him to a tribunal and make him pay for this demeaning treatment.
The trouble is the country can't afford these people.
I have to question this, for while a good degree might well be considered a ticket to a good life its not an easy thing to achieve, the entry requires more than money and the award is earned not freely given. Are you claiming we don't need educated people in the UK? Yes it is earnt. It's the gambler's dilemma. You paid a lot into the game so you don't want to quit before you have your investment back. Who said what you learnt did you any good? Could it be that ultimately you learnt to be a mug?I don't know if you have tried studying the way scams work, but this trick is used widely. You get your mugs working so hard they have no time to think what they are achieving. The country is folding via its own dishonesty. Degrees don't give you intelligence. It only brought home to me the problem here when I was forced to watch the details of the covid pandemic cos there was nothing else on the box. The stupidity of these professionals tells it all. OK we had a few good ones, but the other 9/10 were more a hindrance. It's a case of too many bosses not enough grafters. Do you know the head of science at Brtishvolt has two years of work experience? It was not even in batteries either. |
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