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Post by buccaneer on Apr 22, 2023 7:26:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 7:34:23 GMT
A bully.
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 22, 2023 7:41:11 GMT
A snowflake. A bully is someone who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate someone who they believe is vulnerable. Did Raab habitually seek to harm and intimidate the same person or persons? I don't believe so. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 22, 2023 7:44:17 GMT
A snowflake. A bully is someone who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate someone who they believe is vulnerable. Did Raab habitually seek to harm and intimidate the same person or persons? I don't believe so. I have come across some real bullies in my life which have been all about portrayed image, he certainly doesn't come close. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 22, 2023 7:45:09 GMT
The technique is called 'cry bullying'
This sort of manipulative nonsense shouldn't be anywhere near government or power. It's a very bad sign indeed it has any currency at all.
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 7:56:12 GMT
This government must get to grips with the civil service, and rein them in.
They are operating above the government, they are getting rid of any minister who questions their workings, they are telling the government if they want to WFH, they will, and there is nothing they can do about it.
It's getting totally out of hand now, and they need reeling in.
We are well past that - there is no going back. Probably the future will be a change to the US system where all the senior roles in the Civil Service are filled by political appointees. The current system is not working so perhaps time to try something different. It's nothing short of mutiny, the civil service having a different agenda to that of the serving government, and the will of the people it serves. They've gone rogue, and are a unelected bureaucrats and implementing their own policies, and to rub salt into the wound 'us' the tax payers are paying their salaries. |
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Post by Orac on Apr 22, 2023 8:09:50 GMT
We are well past that - there is no going back. Probably the future will be a change to the US system where all the senior roles in the Civil Service are filled by political appointees. The current system is not working so perhaps time to try something different. It's nothing short of mutiny, the civil service having a different agenda to that of the serving government, and the will of the people it serves. They've gone rogue, and are a unelected bureaucrats and implementing their own policies, and to rub salt into the wound 'us' the tax payers are paying their salaries. Another example often touched on in the board is the Police's recently acquired habit of recording non-crimes and harassing / threatening the arrest of people who have not committed crimes. The elected government has made it clear this shouldn't be pursued, but the police continue regardless of this instruction. It's possible the body responsible for this democratic disjoint is the College of policing. The body was announced in 2011 set up in 2013 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 22, 2023 8:24:32 GMT
It's nothing short of mutiny, the civil service having a different agenda to that of the serving government, and the will of the people it serves. They've gone rogue, and are a unelected bureaucrats and implementing their own policies, and to rub salt into the wound 'us' the tax payers are paying their salaries. Another example often touched on in the board is the Police's recently acquired habit of recording non-crimes and harassing / threatening the arrest of people who have not committed crimes. The elected government has made it clear this shouldn't be pursued, but the police continue regardless of this instruction. It's possible the body responsible for this democratic disjoint is the College of policing. The body was announced in 2011 set up in 2013 Public servants are operating on a similar rogue/mutiny basis, police, teachers, NHS workers have a alliance with the Civil service to serve their own agendas.
It will make a mockery of General Elections, you will vote for a government that can not deliver on their manifestos because the Civil/public services wont allow them to, it will boil down to these dictating what government and what policies they'll serve and deliver.
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Post by Orac on Apr 22, 2023 8:46:26 GMT
Another example often touched on in the board is the Police's recently acquired habit of recording non-crimes and harassing / threatening the arrest of people who have not committed crimes. The elected government has made it clear this shouldn't be pursued, but the police continue regardless of this instruction. It's possible the body responsible for this democratic disjoint is the College of policing. The body was announced in 2011 set up in 2013 Public servants are operating on a similar rogue/mutiny basis, police, teachers, NHS workers have a alliance with the Civil service to serve their own agendas.
It will make a mockery of General Elections, you will vote for a government that can not deliver on their manifestos because the Civil/public services wont allow them to, it will boil down to these dictating what government and what policies they'll serve and deliver.
Indeed. A lot of the framework for this unaccountable alter government was apparently set up in the New Labour years, which is why every government since New Labour has been (more or less) another Blair administration (despite their manifestos). It was vital that this nonsense was decommissioned as a matter of urgency, but instead the conservatives gave us David Cameron (ie a managerial nobody cast in the image of Blair). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 9:09:37 GMT
A snowflake. A bully is someone who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate someone who they believe is vulnerable. Did Raab habitually seek to harm and intimidate the same person or persons? I don't believe so. What evidence do you have to prove that assertion? We do know he is a bully and that he wants the bar for bullying raised, he has said so. So we also know he approves and indeed engages in bullying, but only in a limited way.😒 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 9:10:13 GMT
A snowflake. A bully is someone who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate someone who they believe is vulnerable. Did Raab habitually seek to harm and intimidate the same person or persons? I don't believe so. I have come across some real bullies in my life which have been all about portrayed image, he certainly doesn't come close. So some bullying is acceptable? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 9:11:34 GMT
We are well past that - there is no going back. Probably the future will be a change to the US system where all the senior roles in the Civil Service are filled by political appointees. The current system is not working so perhaps time to try something different. It's nothing short of mutiny, the civil service having a different agenda to that of the serving government, and the will of the people it serves. They've gone rogue, and are a unelected bureaucrats and implementing their own policies, and to rub salt into the wound 'us' the tax payers are paying their salaries. You don't know what the individual cases entailed, so you are making a mutiny out of a molehill. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 22, 2023 9:14:53 GMT
I have come across some real bullies in my life which have been all about portrayed image, he certainly doesn't come close. So some bullying is acceptable? There are always lines between bullying, chivvying, coercing, asking, pleading, demanding etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2023 9:15:03 GMT
Public servants are operating on a similar rogue/mutiny basis, police, teachers, NHS workers have a alliance with the Civil service to serve their own agendas.
It will make a mockery of General Elections, you will vote for a government that can not deliver on their manifestos because the Civil/public services wont allow them to, it will boil down to these dictating what government and what policies they'll serve and deliver.
Indeed. A lot of the framework for this unaccountable alter government was apparently set up in the New Labour years, which is why every government since New Labour has been (more or less) another Blair administration (despite their manifestos). It was vital that this nonsense was decommissioned as a matter of urgency, but instead the conservatives gave us David Cameron (ie a managerial nobody cast in the image of Blair). I think it probably down to a dysfunctional, incompetent government that attempts to 'do' things that are either illegal or immoral. The civil service is being accused of 'mutiny' and again we have the language of pre war Germany. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 22, 2023 9:16:23 GMT
One of the most amazing things i saw in the scrum to replace May the Remainer was Raab’s propsal to ditch VAT
Had i been a Tory party member that alone would have made me vote for him
VAT is an EU invention that fucks the low paid far more than any other group. Prior to being dragged into the EEC we had Purchase Tax on LUXURY goods and no sales tax at all on essentials. Furthermore, only retailers of such goods had to account for this tax. Manufacturers were able to totally ignore itvas it eas a point of sale to the public tax
VAT is a monster worthy of the shitshow that wastes hundreds of millions trucking paperwork between Brussels and Strasbourg to placate the French.
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