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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2023 22:31:43 GMT
Would you care to explain that? You're the one supporting the ScotNat, who actually wants to see ALL English place names erased from Wales. Now reread the post I responded to and look at how your anti-English bias has blinded you of that fact. I question your assumption that supporting the preservation of Welsh language in Wales amounts to anti-English bias. Honestly, I don't see how you reached that conclusion. I openly favour the preservation of minority languages, not only Welsh. What is hypocritical about that? And how does that make me anti-English? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 22:37:57 GMT
You're the one supporting the ScotNat, who actually wants to see ALL English place names erased from Wales. Now reread the post I responded to and look at how your anti-English bias has blinded you of that fact. I question your assumption that supporting the preservation of Welsh language in Wales amounts to anti-English bias. Honestly, I don't see how you reached that conclusion. I openly favour the preservation of minority languages, not only Welsh. What is hypocritical about that? And how does that make me anti-English? Nobody is working against the Welsh. It's a fantasy you've made up to promote your anti-English views, which are shared with your SNP chums. Wales is in the UK, we have a common language, it has worked this way for centuries. Nobody other than you and your SNP chums have even suggested erasing a language. |
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2023 22:56:25 GMT
I question your assumption that supporting the preservation of Welsh language in Wales amounts to anti-English bias. Honestly, I don't see how you reached that conclusion. I openly favour the preservation of minority languages, not only Welsh. What is hypocritical about that? And how does that make me anti-English? Nobody is working against the Welsh. It's a fantasy you've made up to promote your anti-English views, which are shared with your SNP chums. Wales is in the UK, we have a common language, it has worked this way for centuries. Nobody other than you and your SNP chums have even suggested erasing a language. Where did I ever say anyone is working against the Welsh? What anti-English views? Who are these SNP 'chums'? When have I ever suggested erasing any language, far less English? If you bothered to read my earlier posts on this thread you would see my position on the English language. I favour the preservation of languages, even minority languages. I would never advocate erasing any language. That is a moronic proposition. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 23:20:20 GMT
If I believed that you had no idea what this thread is about then I may have played along. I mean, imaging insisting of the preservation of language by batting for those who wants to see a language slowly erased out of bitterness. Even the petition offers nothing else but "I'm a victim". It has nothing to do with preservation, because nobody is oppressing anyone or anything in Wales. It has everything to do with the promotion of anti-English politics.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 24, 2023 23:52:19 GMT
If I believed that you had no idea what this thread is about then I may have played along. I mean, imaging insisting of the preservation of language by batting for those who wants to see a language slowly erased out of bitterness. Even the petition offers nothing else but "I'm a victim". It has nothing to do with preservation, because nobody is oppressing anyone or anything in Wales. It has everything to do with the promotion of anti-English politics. How you arrive at this ludicrous conclusion that people who support the OP want to see English erased is beyond me. No-one is arguing against the English language, least of all me. Did you not read what I wrote about how successful the English language is? If you think that changing a few place names back to their original Welsh is any threat to the English language, you are seriously unenlightened as to how languages work and to the nature of our language in particular. English endures and will endure in many different forms for a long time to come because it is dynamic and flexible. Surely the Welsh have a right to revive their old place names if they like? Ask yourself why you feel threatened by that. Trust me, Welsh is no threat to English. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 23:58:25 GMT
You're clearly wasting my time with your projections and dishonesty and all so you can avoid the issue that I highlighted. That's all I required. The rest of your post is mere strawman arguments.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2023 0:07:03 GMT
You're clearly wasting my time with your projections and dishonesty and all so you can avoid the issue that I highlighted. That's all I required. The rest of your post is mere strawman arguments. I am telling you why I support the right of the Welsh, or anyone else, to revive place names in their own language. I believe that everyone has a right to his own language. If you don't agree with me, that doesn't make me a hypocrite. Nor does it make me dishonest. I can't help you if your hypersensitivity causes you to imagine a threat that is not there. This is not about the English people or the English language. It is only about the right of people to preserve their language traditions. How are the English people or the English language threatened by that? Don't be silly. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 0:22:54 GMT
He obviously lives in another country, where it's believed that the Welsh don't have any rights.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 25, 2023 0:25:03 GMT
He obviously lives in another country, where it's believed that the Welsh don't have any rights. I give up. You're making no sense at all now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 0:35:31 GMT
He obviously lives in another country, where it's believed that the Welsh don't have any rights. I give up. You're making no sense at all now. It's the difference between reality and your fantasy, where you rely on the latter which you can only make work by avoiding the elephant in the room. It's sweet at first, but since you're unwilling to address it and seem to prefer virtue signalling then we wasn't going to reach second base anytime soon. Trust me, the Welsh are not oppressed, and because we are just one island and part of a very long union then we should be building bridges and not burning them. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 25, 2023 3:18:12 GMT
There's no need for the English to acquire the language of the Scots. Sadly, that's a rather typical attitude of English speakers towards foreign language acquisition. You assume you will never have a use for another language, but language is a sort of currency. Acquiring foreign language is always beneficial. It's the attitude of this particular Englishman. If as you say language is a currency, then being the practical person I am, I will not need to use a language that is about as much use as a peseta. And thank you for putting words into my mouth about your assumption of me never needing use for another language. Though you couldn't be wider of the mark even if you tried. I was specific in discussing the Scottish language. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Apr 25, 2023 5:58:15 GMT
You might enjoy Lynne Murphy's book 'The Prodigal Tongue' in which she explores the 'special relationship' between English and American English. Thanks - I have to check, but I may already have it on some e-reader or other.. I think I downloaded it after enjoying an interview with her on a podcast.. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 25, 2023 8:08:02 GMT
Nobody is working against the Welsh. It's a fantasy you've made up to promote your anti-English views, which are shared with your SNP chums. Wales is in the UK, we have a common language, it has worked this way for centuries. Nobody other than you and your SNP chums have even suggested erasing a language. Where did I ever say anyone is working against the Welsh? What anti-English views? Who are these SNP 'chums'? When have I ever suggested erasing any language, far less English? If you bothered to read my earlier posts on this thread you would see my position on the English language. I favour the preservation of languages, even minority languages. I would never advocate erasing any language. That is a moronic proposition. As you can see from the thread , you only need to mention cymraeg or gaidhlig and it severely triggers a certain part of the yookay population into fits of pique and accusations of anti englishness.
You last sentence is fitting for the thread , as a moron is welsh for a carrot im told.
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Post by thomas on Apr 25, 2023 8:09:42 GMT
You're clearly wasting my time with your projections and dishonesty and all so you can avoid the issue that I highlighted. That's all I required. The rest of your post is mere strawman arguments. so ripley is wasting your time too with fact and reasoned argument against before fantasy brit nat delusions ?
You would think by now b4 yoiu would have learned to choose your battles wisely or at least what hill to die on.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
Please, you're about as convincing as Sturgeon's pleas of ignorance after the police raid. The wording in the petition is all that's required to understand the sudden motivation.
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