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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 16:16:23 GMT
Nothing, but that's not the point. All they want is to create hate and division for the foreign powers they naively believes gives a fuck about them. All of this came out of the EU. Well, Thomas couldn't think of anything at all that devolution has improved, he just went off on one about Lord Frost. Apparently Thomas doesn't know who he is. Shows how insular these Scots are, wherever they live. For Thomas it's a halfway house. Devolution in this context was never meant to bring about improvement. If it were then it would be hard to argue that it wasn't a good thing. The fact that nothing has improved only highlights the fact that it's meant to continue toward seperation whilst relying on pseudo-nationalism (the hate and division). To destroy a union for an even bigger union, when devolution could instead be used to better the current union, is proof of this. |
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Post by om15 on May 11, 2023 16:20:12 GMT
Tom Harris writes about this very subject in the Daily Telegraph today,
And for years afterwards, both the SNP and Plaid presented an image of progressive, inclusive “civic” nationalism, a new type of nationalism that was unlike anything that had gone before. It was progressive and perfect; social democracy, except with more flags. A lot more.
Such a political sleight-of hand is no longer plausible. Both nationalist parties have been judged and found wanting. And the judgment is as terrible and as unwelcome as any judgment could possibly be: that both Plaid Cymru and the Scottish nationalists are just like every other party – ambitious for power, opportunistic, cynical, vicious, with some good intentions and with some good people, but also with some not so good people and processes.
The movements for independence for Wales and Scotland can no longer be portrayed as any kind of moral crusade; they are political projects, at times supported by flawed individuals and political cultures. It was always thus. It’s just that the optics today are so much clearer.
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 16:36:21 GMT
Nothing, but that's not the point. All they want is to create hate and division for the foreign powers they naively believes gives a fuck about them. All of this came out of the EU. Well, Thomas couldn't think of anything at all that devolution has improved, he just went off on one about Lord Frost. Apparently Thomas doesn't know who he is. Shows how insular these Scots are, wherever they live. zero tuition fees.
Scottish water. ( if we had no devolution we would have private water like englandshire)
lower council tax ( it would have been scrapped but for labour and tory)
free travel for under 21
free presciptions.
nhs scotland with scottish health boards unlike englands disasterous trust system
better infrastructure
better accountability regarding scottish politicians
better housing and housing policy
better justice and policing( ie reduction in things like knife crime in glesga under devolution)( more police officers per head of popualtion than englandshire)
thats off the top of my head ned. For saving us from english government imposed tuition fees alone it was worth it.
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 16:38:27 GMT
No, it comes under minority nationalism which has been organised within the EU. It's to break them apart from their host states and isn't limited to the UK. This is why you continue to champion territorial independence within the framework of the EU. This is why you're EUphile and vociferous supporters of the EU. I have no idea why you're referring to devolution when your position is the destruction of the UK to benefit a foreign power.
Even Cornwall has a minority nationalist office. It was recognised by the pro-EU government in 2014 under a European Framework Convention, before the people voted to leave the EU.
you clearly said "it came out of the EU , " and i merely corrected you. There are good and bad things about the EU , but bleating incessantly everything you dont like is the result of the EU wether true or not is laughable.
At least get your fact correct.
Hopefully the link i gave you will help.
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 16:41:13 GMT
Well, Thomas couldn't think of anything at all that devolution has improved, he just went off on one about Lord Frost. Apparently Thomas doesn't know who he is. Shows how insular these Scots are, wherever they live. For Thomas it's a halfway house. Devolution in this context was never meant to bring about improvement. If it were then it would be hard to argue that it wasn't a good thing. The fact that nothing has improved only highlights the fact that it's meant to continue toward seperation whilst relying on pseudo-nationalism (the hate and division). To destroy a union for an even bigger union, when devolution could instead be used to better the current union, is proof of this. you are part correct. Devolution is a half way house , which many in the yes movement including the snp were originally against. Now we see what scotland can do with both hands tied behind our backs , clearly the mind boggles with anticipation of the good full indy would bring. You only need to look across the irish sea to our brothers in irleand .
who wants to destroy your union ? You can still be in a union with however wishes to join you , but if we choose to leave as you chose to leave the eu , then thats up to us. .....and we will.....
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 16:41:42 GMT
Most of which wouldn't be sustainable outside of the UK. Tuition fees was helped with Scottish politicians playing double-standards, by voting for it in England then running up north to play minority nationalist and vote for no tuition fees for Scotland. It was long after that this started to be addressed under English votes. The vast majority of this island has no devolved powers and have been subject to a democratic deficit to help fuel division and hate.
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Post by thomas on May 11, 2023 16:47:41 GMT
Most of which wouldn't be sustainable outside of the UK. prove it.
prove it.
60 % of the landmass of the british isles is either
1. fully independent ( of westmisnter)
2.devolved. (from westmsinter)
England had the chance for regional devolution and decided it didnt want it. Thats you affair.
We dont care wether you want devolution , independence or not. Thats you affair. Dont tell us we cant have what 75 % voted for because you dont want westmisnter rule diluted over the celtic periphery due to devolution.
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Post by colbops on May 11, 2023 16:57:03 GMT
We dont care wether you want devolution , independence or not. if "you" don't care what "we" want, why should "we" care what "you" want? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 16:59:14 GMT
England opposed regionalisation up north, so the idea was scrapped insofar as not allowing anymore votes. I think Scotland should try the idea, considering the divide up there is so big. As for this "we" you hide behind, I only see you. As far as I am concerned Scotland voted for the UK, because they know they'd be fucked without it.
Also, I can't be bothered to play snippets with you. It's common knowledge.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 6:23:47 GMT
We dont care wether you want devolution , independence or not. if "you" don't care what "we" want, why should "we" care what "you" want? We dont want you to care what we want. In fact colbops , thats what independence is all about . The english politician keeping his beak out of scotlands affairs , and more importantly out of our wallets and resources. |
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 6:28:26 GMT
England opposed regionalisation up north, so the idea was scrapped insofar as not allowing anymore votes. You did. So what you are whining about is the fact yet again , because your wee country didnt want devolution , then no one else should have it either ? Tough.
no thank you. What we try is our affair , not yours.
Are you trying to deny 75 % of those who voted in the devolution referendum in scotland voted yes? B4 talks cac once more as ever.
Scottish devolution referendum, 1997
Yes 1,775,045 74.29%
No 614,400 25.71%
A uk that was in the EU.
prove it?
i will take that as yet another of your tacit surrenders , and admission of talking bollocks about stuff you know nothing about.
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Post by Vinny on May 12, 2023 8:49:50 GMT
What's funny is the thread is started by a SNAT who wanted to force Wales and the rest of the UK to stay in the EU, which wasn't working for any of us simply because he voted remain and his bruised ego cannot handle the fact that the country outvoted him.
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:09:18 GMT
What's funny is the thread is started by a SNAT who wanted to force Wales and the rest of the UK to stay in the EU, which wasn't working for any of us simply because he voted remain and his bruised ego cannot handle the fact that the country outvoted him. lol. the uk economy has fallen from 90 % the size of germanys in 2016 , to 70 % and falling in 2023 due to brexit. Clearly the economic case for staying in the EU is inarguable. We left though , except northern ireland because vinny and his ilk doesnt like johhny foreigner.
Poll finds that Wales would vote to rejoin the European Union
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Post by thomas on May 12, 2023 9:12:03 GMT
What's funny is the thread is started by a SNAT who wanted to force Wales and the rest of the UK to stay in the EU, which wasn't working for any of us simply because he voted remain and his bruised ego cannot handle the fact that the country outvoted him.
Public opinion in Wales decisively swings against Brexit
Voters regretting leaving the EU now outnumber supporters in every part of Wales
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Post by Vinny on May 12, 2023 9:33:18 GMT
Abolish devolution.
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