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Post by thomas on Apr 20, 2023 6:56:49 GMT
Whether it works or not remains to be seen, but the point was the Steamed Middle had totally missed the renegotion of the NI Protocol. It wasn't a renegotiation, it was a con designed to look like a renegotiation so Sunak could say, hey look I've done it. Ask the DUP whether they think anything has been 'renegotiated'. who are the DUP ? A tiny minority backward party of flat earthers , with a tiny amount of political support , standing off in the corner in a huff as they cant get the return of the sectarian apartheid state ?
Who cares what the DUP think? Events are overtaking the DUP as ever.
They are about as relevant as the monster raving looney party.
When ireland is reunited as it should be you wont find a single northern irishman admitting to voting for these clowns .
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Post by Handyman on Apr 20, 2023 7:06:40 GMT
Well i dont remember the name of Sunak on my ballot paper when i voted in the 2019 GE. Well I know you dont live in the UK so perhaps its news but, unlike France, the UK does not elect the leader of the Government. No we never have no matter who gets the job, the winning party selects who is PM |
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Post by see2 on Apr 20, 2023 7:35:12 GMT
If it gets worse than Tory slime, you need help. I don't quite follow! If what gets worse? Your high level of political bias such as that which allows you to ignore the relative information I posted to you i.e. Merdoch's long term work in pushing right-wing nonsense. He is now seen for what he is and I had a faint hope that other right-wingers, especially Fox supporters, might be a little less deceptive in the future, but I guess I was dreaming. Then again that's allowed, occasionally. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Apr 20, 2023 10:01:49 GMT
Anyone watching? It's brilliant. OK you may say I'm partisan hey ho, but honestly Sunak is playing a blinder. He is making Starmer look a right pillock, back benchers are absolutely loving it. If i am totally honest PMQ’s highlights everything that is wrong about the way this country is run. There are issues far too important to allow time for political point scoring and the very fact our entire system of politician worship depends not on how good they are at the job, but how good they are at knocking lumps out of an opponent just as clueless as themselves about what to do to serve society speaks volumes. When we were killing Argentinians and they were returning the compliment the chap who is now a senior figure in the Saudi Defence Ministry but then was a young man with a playboy millionaire as a father, but who harboured a determination to learn something meaningful and chose to try to grasp the fundamentals of molecular biology, told me what our armed forces should do to bring the Argentinians back into line was take the business end of a polaris missile out of the casing, snd launch the unarmed unit, aiming it straight for the roof of the Argentine Parliament, and 30 seconds before it hit, send a telex to Galtieri’s loudest opponent saying the next one would have a warhead. Today, if Putin sent one WITH a warhead through the roof of Westminster Palace i would applaud. NONE of tbe scum in there deserve the job. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 20, 2023 12:07:39 GMT
Anyone watching? It's brilliant. OK you may say I'm partisan hey ho, but honestly Sunak is playing a blinder. He is making Starmer look a right pillock, back benchers are absolutely loving it. If i am totally honest PMQ’s highlights everything that is wrong about the way this country is run. There are issues far too important to allow time for political point scoring and the very fact our entire system of politician worship depends not on how good they are at the job, but how good they are at knocking lumps out of an opponent just as clueless as themselves about what to do to serve society speaks volumes. When we were killing Argentinians and they were returning the compliment the chap who is now a senior figure in the Saudi Defence Ministry but then was a young man with a playboy millionaire as a father, but who harboured a determination to learn something meaningful and chose to try to grasp the fundamentals of molecular biology, told me what our armed forces should do to bring the Argentinians back into line was take the business end of a polaris missile out of the casing, snd launch the unarmed unit, aiming it straight for the roof of the Argentine Parliament, and 30 seconds before it hit, send a telex to Galtieri’s loudest opponent saying the next one would have a warhead. Today, if Putin sent one WITH a warhead through the roof of Westminster Palace i would applaud. NONE of tbe scum in there deserve the job. When it comes to PMQ's I tend to agree with you, the big issues of the day are sidelined in favour of petty mudslinging and point scoring. Did it get worse with Corbyn's intake? I seem to remember it did. Actually I think PMQ's today is more about theatre, no business gets done, in my opinion it's a half hour show for the public gallery and TV cameras and just about the only time the House is full. Perhaps the media is to blame, or partly to blame. As soon as PMQ's is finished political commentators on the BBC, ITV, GB News etc cant wait to discuss who 'won' at PMQ's this week. Actually, if PMQ's were a grown up civilised affair I suspect few would watch it and fewar still would report on it. To be honest, I can handle half an hour of political theatre once a week, it may be rowdy but I quite enjoy it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 20, 2023 12:28:19 GMT
I don't quite follow! If what gets worse? Your high level of political bias such as that which allows you to ignore the relative information I posted to you i.e. Merdoch's long term work in pushing right-wing nonsense. He is now seen for what he is and I had a faint hope that other right-wingers, especially Fox supporters, might be a little less deceptive in the future, but I guess I was dreaming. Then again that's allowed, occasionally. My level of political bias rather depends who I'm talking to. If I'm chatting to a sensible reasonable person who listens rather than rants and considers a 'discussion' to be a firm but fair exchange of ideas and opinions, then my level of bias is quite low, in fact on the bias-o-meter, it hardly registers. If on the other hand I'm engaged in hand to hand combat with fixed bayonets, my level of bias tends to be off the scale.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 20, 2023 12:30:38 GMT
The whole lot of them need to go to their offices and write out "i will not shout out when asked to be quiet" 200 times. LOL, that's not such a bad idea. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 20, 2023 12:43:48 GMT
It wasn't a renegotiation, it was a con designed to look like a renegotiation so Sunak could say, hey look I've done it. Ask the DUP whether they think anything has been 'renegotiated'. who are the DUP ? A tiny minority backward party of flat earthers , with a tiny amount of political support , standing off in the corner in a huff as they cant get the return of the sectarian apartheid state ?
Who cares what the DUP think? Events are overtaking the DUP as ever.
They are about as relevant as the monster raving looney party.
When ireland is reunited as it should be you wont find a single northern irishman admitting to voting for these clowns .
Only a catholic would be foolish enough to underestimate the DUP. Tam, are you aware that during the 2019 election unionists polled 43.2%, nationalists 38.9%, others 17.9%. Whether you like it or not Northern Ireland is a part of the UK and unionists with very good reason do not like the protocol or the Windsor Framework.  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 20, 2023 14:01:52 GMT
When you say Unionists do not support the Protocol, are you referring to politicians or the general public?
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Post by thomas on Apr 20, 2023 15:08:58 GMT
who are the DUP ? A tiny minority backward party of flat earthers , with a tiny amount of political support , standing off in the corner in a huff as they cant get the return of the sectarian apartheid state ?
Who cares what the DUP think? Events are overtaking the DUP as ever.
They are about as relevant as the monster raving looney party.
When ireland is reunited as it should be you wont find a single northern irishman admitting to voting for these clowns .
Only a catholic would be foolish enough to underestimate the DUP. Tam, are you aware that during the 2019 election unionists polled 43.2%, nationalists 38.9%, others 17.9%. Whether you like it or not Northern Ireland is a part of the UK and unionists with very good reason do not like the protocol or the Windsor Framework. What do you mean only a catholic red? I dont practice religion mate, but i was christened church of scotland protestant as a child. My mum was a catholic , and dad church of scotland . So if you are referring to me red , you are making wrong assumption.
The DUP who we were talking about ( to pacifico) are a minority party. They dont speak for unionism , and got a mere 21 % of the last stormont vote on a 64 % turnout. Other Unionist parties cant stand them.
Unionism lost their majority of stormont for the first time in a century in 2017 , and the biggest growing group in northern ireland is "other" neither orange or green , who are open either way to reunification , but more importantly in a majority are extremely pro european.
Wether you like it or not , northern ireland is part of the european union , with european courts , and both the british prime minister and your president biden as well as the EU support the windsor framework.
Neither the anglo tory party government , the majority of the political parties in northern ireland , or various international groups and nations are going to throw the pro european northern irish majority under a bus to appease a small minority group of loyalist headbangers .
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Post by thomas on Apr 20, 2023 15:13:04 GMT
When you say Unionists do not support the Protocol, are you referring to politicians or the general public? The majority of mlas in stormont were voted in at last election on a pro protocol stance. So the majority of northern irish politicians support the protocol.
As for the general public in northern ireland andrew, not only did northern ireland as we know vote remain in 2016 , but the majority of the northern irish public support the protocol .
A majority (55%) of people in Northern Ireland say the Protocol is an "appropriate means for managing the impact of Brexit," according to a new LucidTalk poll.
The survey showed that 53% view the Protocol as "a good thing for Northern Ireland".
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Post by thomas on Apr 20, 2023 15:21:15 GMT
Going very well pacifico. Sleepy joe , our presidenti , told the parish councillor sunak whats what , and rishi gushed like a wee schoolboy in agreement.
Very well? Perhaps it was me, but I thought the purpose was to get the GFA working again - if not what was it's purpose? I cant see what there is to discuss mate. President joe has said whats what , and the prime minister of the vassal state has concurred and asked how high president joe wants him to jump.
You tell us jocks one minute a minority dont dictate what happens in a so called democracy , then the next , while acknowledging the GFA makes northern ireland special , you then demand a party that got 21 % of the vote gets to dictate what the majority in northern ireland dont want?
Goal posts as ever all over the place in brexiter la la land.
If the DUP dont want to power share , then whats the problem? Let them go off in a huff , meanwhile while they sulk in the corner , the protocol remains and northern ireland is in the EU.
Even rishi the remainer said the other day that it makes unionism untenable storming off in a huff about brexit.
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Post by borchester on Apr 20, 2023 15:29:28 GMT
It seems a lot of fuss over a motor home that Wee Krankie can't even drive, but I would have thought that the real question is how many SNP supporters will transfer their votes to Alba or will they recognise their true loyalty and vote for Anas Sarwar ?
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Post by see2 on Apr 20, 2023 15:37:42 GMT
Your high level of political bias such as that which allows you to ignore the relative information I posted to you i.e. Merdoch's long term work in pushing right-wing nonsense. He is now seen for what he is and I had a faint hope that other right-wingers, especially Fox supporters, might be a little less deceptive in the future, but I guess I was dreaming. Then again that's allowed, occasionally. My level of political bias rather depends who I'm talking to. If I'm chatting to a sensible reasonable person who listens rather than rants and considers a 'discussion' to be a firm but fair exchange of ideas and opinions, then my level of bias is quite low, in fact on the bias-o-meter, it hardly registers. If on the other hand I'm engaged in hand to hand combat with fixed bayonets, my level of bias tends to be off the scale. As with all right-wingers you find it quite easy to delude yourself. That is how righties become righties in the first place (ditto lefties) Murdoch of course, is a prime example of righty delusion. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 20, 2023 16:17:31 GMT
My level of political bias rather depends who I'm talking to. If I'm chatting to a sensible reasonable person who listens rather than rants and considers a 'discussion' to be a firm but fair exchange of ideas and opinions, then my level of bias is quite low, in fact on the bias-o-meter, it hardly registers. If on the other hand I'm engaged in hand to hand combat with fixed bayonets, my level of bias tends to be off the scale. As with all right-wingers you find it quite easy to delude yourself. That is how righties become righties in the first place (ditto lefties) Murdoch of course, is a prime example of righty delusion. And there we have it, as if by magic a perfect example of left wing bias. |
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