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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 15:59:47 GMT
LOL. You have just proved that you are the joke ^^^ with the age old Tory slime approach of 'denigration before debate' with the opposition. He had every right to fight against the mindless result of the referendum taken at a time when the UK was suffering so many underlying weaknesses. But that is all water under the bridge now, and he has accepted, like myself, that Brexit is done. Well all but. Good heavens, I'm 'Tory slime' now lol. Well there we have it posters, proof if proof were necessary that see2 is indeed a very, very outraged lefty. Who knew  "the Tory slims approach" which is what you use, that is your approach in politics, which is not in dispute. You have just proved my point with your post above. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2023 16:02:06 GMT
Good heavens, I'm 'Tory slime' now lol. Well there we have it posters, proof if proof were necessary that see2 is indeed a very, very outraged lefty. Who knew "the Tory slims approach" which is what you use, that is your approach in politics, which is not in dispute. You have just proved my point with your post above. I toyed with you for a while, now I'm bored. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:02:15 GMT
The present labour shortage is one reason why inflation is so high, and if companies have to increase wage costs in order to attract people, then we give our competitors the edge, and we become uncompetetive. My local garden centre operates a huge cafe, there were 14 staff there a few weeks ago, today there are just six, and they cannot find people. The operation of the cafe is badly affected, it operates a limited menu, and on some days they cannot do any hot food at all. I agree that its good for anyone looking for a job - but with the cost of living crisis and food inflation now at its highest level since 1977, having lots of jobs available is not really any help. Shows how far we have come when supporters of a (supposedly) left-wing political party decry higher wages and more power in the hands of workers. Keir Hardie would be rolling in his grave..  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 17:04:32 GMT
Arthur Bryant once made the point that you know that democracy is about throwing a dead cat at the hustlings. This might be Labour's weak spot in that at the end of the day, Sir Keir is a bit of a prig
He is what i remember to be an adult responsible dignified experienced politician. Unlike what is preferred now, entertainers and grinning game players. At least Starmer will properly represent the democratic will of the people.Considering he has reneged on every promise he made to get elected as Leader of the Labour Party, how well do you think he is representing the will of the people that voted for him? |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 19, 2023 17:54:59 GMT
Well i dont remember the name of Sunak on my ballot paper when i voted in the 2019 GE.
I have concluded that the Tories have run out of well known experienced candidates and should now allow a PM who has actually won an election olfer some stability and responsibility to a country sadly lacking them for so long.
Oddly the next GE will be held just about the time when the Brexit experiment will be completely discredited, along with the Brexit government, already discredited.
What comes around, goes around.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2023 18:23:58 GMT
Well i dont remember the name of Sunak on my ballot paper when i voted in the 2019 GE. I have concluded that the Tories have run out of well known experienced candidates and should now allow a PM who has actually won an election olfer some stability and responsibility to a country sadly lacking them for so long. Oddly the next GE will be held just about the time when the Brexit experiment will be completely discredited, along with the Brexit government, already discredited. What comes around, goes around. I concede that for many of the 'Tory faithful' removing Boris left a bad taste in the mouth, and installing Sunak didn't help matters. However, this is the hand we've been dealt and Sunak does seem to have a steadying hand, and the gap in the polls is rapidly narrowing. Far too rapidly for Starmer I'm sure. As for the Brexit 'experiment', I think you may find Brexit has happened, it's the past. The UK left the EU over three years ago and I assure you it was never an experiment. Brexit is a reality and as such I'm unsurprised you fail to grasp it. Unlike your beloved Euro experiment that has been on life support for years but continues to hang on because no one can vote it out lol, it's almost the perfect dictatorship. |
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Post by oracle75 on Apr 19, 2023 18:31:25 GMT
If it isnt an experiment why does the UK continue to try to change the terms of leaving.
The UK just cant stop trying to be exceptional.
The country has been left with "trying to make it work".
For many who were encouraged to support Brexit but lost their principal market and went into liquidation, due to the lying promises that never happened, it was a very bad experiment.
And will take more years than i have to correct.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2023 18:42:32 GMT
If it isnt an experiment why does the UK continue to try to change the terms of leaving. The UK just cant stop trying to be exceptional. The country has been left with "trying to make it work". For many who were encouraged to support Brexit but lost their principal market and went into liquidation, due to the lying promises that never happened, it was a very bad experiment. And will take more years than i have to correct. Lets not be silly, we all know the UK has always been exceptional. I do however concede that behind closed doors the EU are quietly making things as difficult as they can. Lets not forget, the UK must be punished for Brexit. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 19, 2023 19:49:08 GMT
borchester >> "Right now the UK's biggest problem is a labour shortage, which means that anyone who wants a job can have one and that the economy is therefore doing well."Since 2019 1.3 million Eastern Europeans have left the UK, leaving behind a vacuum. Most of these people worked in leisure, catering, food processing and the care sectors, and just as the British economy expanded due to a new and ready supply of willing, unskilled labour, it is now going to contract because that supply is drying up. The UK economy is doing bloody awful, terrible, the worst performing economy of any major industrialised nation, worse than France, Germany, Japan, the United States or Canada. The present labour shortage is one reason why inflation is so high, and if companies have to increase wage costs in order to attract people, then we give our competitors the edge, and we become uncompetetive. My local garden centre operates a huge cafe, there were 14 staff there a few weeks ago, today there are just six, and they cannot find people. The operation of the cafe is badly affected, it operates a limited menu, and on some days they cannot do any hot food at all. I agree that its good for anyone looking for a job - but with the cost of living crisis and food inflation now at its highest level since 1977, having lots of jobs available is not really any help.
Oh, so you support slave wages. How very socialist of you.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 19, 2023 19:56:11 GMT
If it isnt an experiment why does the UK continue to try to change the terms of leaving... And how on Earth could we do that? We've left. The UK just cant stop trying to be exceptional... Compared to what? We've left. The country has been left with "trying to make it work"... No , we've left. For many who were encouraged to support Brexit but lost their principal market and went into liquidation, due to the lying promises that never happened... Nope, due to their shit business models. Plenty of businesses continue to trade with the EU. And will take more years than i have to correct. Well there's always one saving grace... |
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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 20:30:46 GMT
"the Tory slims approach" which is what you use, that is your approach in politics, which is not in dispute. You have just proved my point with your post above. I toyed with you for a while, now I'm bored. I'm sure you are quite normal until someone mentions politics, then, well you just lose it. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 20:37:39 GMT
The present labour shortage is one reason why inflation is so high, and if companies have to increase wage costs in order to attract people, then we give our competitors the edge, and we become uncompetetive. My local garden centre operates a huge cafe, there were 14 staff there a few weeks ago, today there are just six, and they cannot find people. The operation of the cafe is badly affected, it operates a limited menu, and on some days they cannot do any hot food at all. I agree that its good for anyone looking for a job - but with the cost of living crisis and food inflation now at its highest level since 1977, having lots of jobs available is not really any help. Shows how far we have come when supporters of a (supposedly) left-wing political party decry higher wages and more power in the hands of workers. Keir Hardie would be rolling in his grave.. Once again you show your incredible ability to distort reality to fit into your weird world of denigration. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 20:41:47 GMT
borchester >> "Right now the UK's biggest problem is a labour shortage, which means that anyone who wants a job can have one and that the economy is therefore doing well."Since 2019 1.3 million Eastern Europeans have left the UK, leaving behind a vacuum. Most of these people worked in leisure, catering, food processing and the care sectors, and just as the British economy expanded due to a new and ready supply of willing, unskilled labour, it is now going to contract because that supply is drying up. The UK economy is doing bloody awful, terrible, the worst performing economy of any major industrialised nation, worse than France, Germany, Japan, the United States or Canada. The present labour shortage is one reason why inflation is so high, and if companies have to increase wage costs in order to attract people, then we give our competitors the edge, and we become uncompetetive. My local garden centre operates a huge cafe, there were 14 staff there a few weeks ago, today there are just six, and they cannot find people. The operation of the cafe is badly affected, it operates a limited menu, and on some days they cannot do any hot food at all. I agree that its good for anyone looking for a job - but with the cost of living crisis and food inflation now at its highest level since 1977, having lots of jobs available is not really any help.
Oh, so you support slave wages. How very socialist of you.
I'm sure you have no understanding of your low level of maturity your posts continuously expose ^^^ |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2023 20:59:16 GMT
I toyed with you for a while, now I'm bored. I'm sure you are quite normal until someone mentions politics, then, well you just lose it. You think that's me 'losing it' lol, how quaint. |
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Post by buccaneer on Apr 19, 2023 21:22:24 GMT
Well i dont remember the name of Sunak on my ballot paper when i voted in the 2019 GE. I have concluded that the Tories have run out of well known experienced candidates and should now allow a PM who has actually won an election olfer some stability and responsibility to a country sadly lacking them for so long. Oddly the next GE will be held just about the time when the Brexit experiment will be completely discredited, along with the Brexit government, already discredited. What comes around, goes around. You're just desperate to see the UK back in the EU. A UK you've been slagging off ever since it left the EU. |
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