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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 16:26:12 GMT
Stagnating wages - the National Minimum Wage has risen every year since its introduction, the NMW is what the vast majority of European migrant workers were / are earning. Over-run by ethnic groups ? - you mean white caucasian Europeans of a mostly Christian heritage ?, such as Poles. Was never an issue, never a problem, only to xenophobes. The current shortage of labour is impacting growth, it is also impacting our competetiveness, it is helping to drive inflation because of wage costs, and it is pushing some businesses out of business, its making a difficult situation with rising energy costs, even more difficult. Why is the UK suffering the lowest growth of not only the G7, but also the G20, why is our economy performing less well than the United States, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Canada, and according to the IMF will perform worse than sanction hit Russia. Yes. Differentials stagnated . That made a lot of difference. You run a widget m/c at 3 pounds over NMW . NMW goes up 50p , yours doesn’t . After a given amount of time you become a widget m/c operator on NMW. Polish people have a different culture to English people . You do know that a lot of East Europeans do not like other East Europeans and feel that they have little common. I wondered how long it would take for you to take out the xenophobia card. It wasn’t long So what level of immigration would be best for the uk 40000 per year or 1000000 per year.? IRRC you dodged that one .
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 16:27:27 GMT
Stagnating wages - the National Minimum Wage has risen every year since its introduction, the NMW is what the vast majority of European migrant workers were / are earning. Over-run by ethnic groups ? - you mean white caucasian Europeans of a mostly Christian heritage ?, such as Poles. Was never an issue, never a problem, only to xenophobes.
The current shortage of labour is impacting growth, it is also impacting our competetiveness, it is helping to drive inflation because of wage costs, and it is pushing some businesses out of business, its making a difficult situation with rising energy costs, even more difficult. Why is the UK suffering the lowest growth of not only the G7, but also the G20, why is our economy performing less well than the United States, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Canada, and according to the IMF will perform worse than sanction hit Russia. LOL, and there speaks the typical remainiac. Anyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, right? You need to grow up and catch up, we have left the EU, ffs get over it. And anyone who thinks the German economy is doing well is either bluffing, or clueless. It’s rank ignorance red. Straight out the ‘woke and virtue signalling for dummies ‘handbook.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 16:28:47 GMT
Throughout history, all developed nations have enjoyed real growth and progress through migrant labour In this country it was the Irish who sunk our mines and built our railways, in Germany it was Turks and migrants from Southern Europe who rebuilt the country after the war. The UK invited people to come here and work from the Caribbean after the Second World War, we also hired thousands of health care professionals from the sub continent. The influx of Eastern Europeans through "Freedom of Movement" raised growth, it encouraged the rapid expansion of industries which had barely existed in this country, or industries that struggled, the Salad Growing Industry for example. Other industries flourished because of the willingness of European migrants to do the unskilled jobs on National Minimum Wage that our own people were reluctant to do, these including the food processing sectors, hospitality, tourism, catering and care work. Freedom of Movement had a positive effect on the UK economy, there were many companies who struggled to fill vaccancies, some food producers had permanent labour shortages. The idea that you simply push up wages to attract people is a non-starter, because it does two things, firstly it creates the same problem somewhere else, secondly, by pushing wages upwards until it attracts workers, it also drives up costs - in the food industry the competitors are almost all European countries, you make British products uncompetetive. Freedom of Movement is a "Freedom", it was a freedom enjoyed by British people as much as other Europeans, but its a freedom that has now been taken away from us. I can no longer simply move to Cyprus or France and buy a property and live there, its now more complicated. Brexiters have taken freedom of movement away from us. I was going to debunk your post point by point, but there's just too much I cant be bothered. Anyone who can post that much bullshit, and actually believe it is beyond help. You are obviously brainwashed. May I enquire, are you posting from your beloved EU? If not, why not?
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 16:32:38 GMT
LOL, and there speaks the typical remainiac. Anyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, right? You need to grow up and catch up, we have left the EU, ffs get over it. And anyone who thinks the German economy is doing well is either bluffing, or clueless. It’s rank ignorance red. Straight out the ‘woke and virtue signalling for dummies ‘handbook. Absolutely agree. I thought this sort of pro EU bullshit had calmed down since we left the EU, clearly there are still some brainwashed €urophiles who didn't get the memo.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 14, 2023 16:33:48 GMT
But Sid, migrant labourers are welcome on the basis of their skills.
What is not acceptable are migrant criminals.
Freedom of movement of people had severe flaws.
If you don't understand, 1) criminals. 2) Wage compression in low end jobs. 3) No wage parity across the EU. 4) No common welfare system.
Freedom of movement only works properly in a country, a level playing field.
And whilst criminals can always move around a country unless they're in prison, the Police have completely shared information.
The EU needs these, and as these would turn it into a country, it needs democratic reform.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 14, 2023 16:34:07 GMT
If we are going back in time then I'd rather the 60's or 70's - certainly not the New Labour years with their illegal wars and throwing open the doors to mass immigration. Why do you persist on making very deceptive misleading posts? Nothing deceptive about the 60's and 70's being better than the New Labour years. FFS even the 1980's were better than the New Labour Years...
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Post by jonksy on Apr 14, 2023 16:34:52 GMT
LOL, and there speaks the typical remainiac. Anyone who voted for Brexit is a racist, right? You need to grow up and catch up, we have left the EU, ffs get over it. And anyone who thinks the German economy is doing well is either bluffing, or clueless. It’s rank ignorance red. Straight out the ‘woke and virtue signalling for dummies ‘handbook.I wish thet would invest in some new material mate. They have spouted the same old shite so many times they are beleiving it themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 16:58:19 GMT
I was responding to this post by Bentley >>
"Brexit has taken away the problem of cheap Labour stagnating wages and work conditions. It also has taken away small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups. Maybe they ex remainers should imagine their town being overrun by brexiters.
Scary eh?
I never raised the issue of race or racism, Bentley did, and I certainly never suggested that Brexit voting people were racists, though a fairly large proportion obviously are.
Why should people find it unbearable for young Polish people, or Czechs or Latvians to live in their town or village ?, how does having a Polish family living next door impact your quality of life, or affect your way of living. ?
The overwhelming vast majority of young Eastern European migrants are decent, hard working people, who came here to work and create a better life for themselves, most integrate very well with British society.
I repeat - only a xenophobe would have an issue with Eastern Europeans living in their neighbourhood
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Post by om15 on Apr 14, 2023 17:04:49 GMT
My daughter and her husband have just bought a house in Cyprus and are moving there later in the year as residents. There were certain formalities to observe, but no big deal. However you can't move to Cyprus if you have a criminal record or do not have any money, if either of these are the reason that you are unable to move there it is unfair to blame brexit. Or perhaps you are just making up rubbish to support your jaundiced view of our democracy.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 14, 2023 17:05:22 GMT
This is the damage that Labour did to our country...
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 17:08:18 GMT
I was responding to this post by Bentley >> "Brexit has taken away the problem of cheap Labour stagnating wages and work conditions. It also has taken away small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups. Maybe they ex remainers should imagine their town being overrun by brexiters. Scary eh?I never raised the issue of race or racism, Bentley did, and I certainly never suggested that Brexit voting people were racists, though a fairly large proportion obviously are. Why should people find it unbearable for young Polish people, or Czechs or Latvians to live in their town or village ?, how does having a Polish family living next door impact your quality of life, or affect your way of living. ? The overwhelming vast majority of young Eastern European migrants are decent, hard working people, who came here to work and create a better life for themselves, most integrate very well with British society. I repeat - only a xenophobe would have an issue with Eastern Europeans living in their neighbourhood You…”Was never an issue, never a problem, only to xenophobes.” You claimed that they are xenophobes . Once again you show such utter ignorance and disingenuousness. People from small towns and villages have endured large groups of people who do not speak the language , have no real desire to interact with the people in the village. The overwhelming majority of East Europeans were itinerant single workers who were recruited from agencies in Eastern Europe in my experience. You know nothing and resort to racist stereotypes and your political grooming to make uniformed judgments.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 14, 2023 17:10:35 GMT
And the doors were flung open not to benefit the people of Britain, but for ideological reasons. Labour wanted to import hundreds of thousands of foreign migrants not speaking the same language and having very little in common with each other (aka "diversity") and now today pretends it is our greatest strength.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 17:26:30 GMT
Raynor suffers from being 'working class' and down to earth, she says what she thinks not like the total tosspots we have in charge now. Is there something wrong with having a down to earth PM in your opinion? She suffers from being a champagne socialist, she might be from a working class background, but she now enjoys the trappings of wealth.
We gathered that her net worth is $5 million. As a Member of Parliament (MP), Angela Rayner earns a basic annual salary of £82,000, which is subject to income tax.
Tony Blair started off without a pot to piss in, now look at him...
What is Tony Blair’s Net Worth in 2022?
Blair’s Net Worth as of 2022 is $60 million or almost £50.3 million.
The vast majority of the former Prime Minister’s wealth has come through the acquisition of property.
Blair owns two dozen flats in Manchester valued at £27 million, as well as an £8 million house in London.
Blair has also collected a large amount of income through other investments and regular paid speaking engagements.
** You do realise that most Ex-Labour leaders are worth far more than any Ex-Tory leaders.
You are being hoodwinked on a grand scale.
So you are a communist then, jealous of the good fortune and hard work of others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 17:27:10 GMT
Raynor suffers from being 'working class' and down to earth, she says what she thinks not like the total tosspots we have in charge now. Is there something wrong with having a down to earth PM in your opinion? Rayner suffers from being a bit thick and hot headed . She would be a great shop steward or charge hand in a factory but she is out of her depth on the front bench . She is the token oik . John Prescott with tits. Your distain for the working class is duly noted.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 14, 2023 17:30:49 GMT
Rayner suffers from being a bit thick and hot headed . She would be a great shop steward or charge hand in a factory but she is out of her depth on the front bench . She is the token oik . John Prescott with tits. Your distain for the working class is duly noted. Speak for yourself, since when did the working class bend over for being called a few names.
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