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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 17:31:44 GMT
And the doors were flung open not to benefit the people of Britain, but for ideological reasons. Labour wanted to import hundreds of thousands of foreign migrants not speaking the same language and having very little in common with each other (aka "diversity") and now today pretends it is our greatest strength.   I believe that. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Apr 14, 2023 17:33:57 GMT
She suffers from being a champagne socialist, she might be from a working class background, but she now enjoys the trappings of wealth.
We gathered that her net worth is $5 million. As a Member of Parliament (MP), Angela Rayner earns a basic annual salary of £82,000, which is subject to income tax.
Tony Blair started off without a pot to piss in, now look at him...
What is Tony Blair’s Net Worth in 2022?
Blair’s Net Worth as of 2022 is $60 million or almost £50.3 million.
The vast majority of the former Prime Minister’s wealth has come through the acquisition of property.
Blair owns two dozen flats in Manchester valued at £27 million, as well as an £8 million house in London.
Blair has also collected a large amount of income through other investments and regular paid speaking engagements.
** You do realise that most Ex-Labour leaders are worth far more than any Ex-Tory leaders.
You are being hoodwinked on a grand scale.
So you are a communist then, jealous of the good fortune and hard work of others. Errr No. I'm not a hypocrite, I don't enjoy the trappings of wealth, while pretending to oppose the wealthy, Rayner is a multi-millionaire, but she tries to portray herself as the party who 'hate' the wealthy, she can't have it both ways, you can't be wealthy while decrying those who are... are you getting it yet Rum?
She's a champagne socialist along with her millionaire boss Sir Starmer, at least when Blair and Prescott took over Labour both of them were just 'ordinary' middle class working background, obviously they've both feathered their nests now, but Rayner/Starmer are already multi-millionaires, not sure that represents the values of true Labour leaders and government.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 17:35:45 GMT
Rayner suffers from being a bit thick and hot headed . She would be a great shop steward or charge hand in a factory but she is out of her depth on the front bench . She is the token oik . John Prescott with tits. Your distain for the working class is duly noted. Your false claim is noted. John Prescott was the token working class for the Oxbridge socialists , Rayner is the same . If you leaned to read properly then you might have gathered that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 17:39:15 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Apr 14, 2023 18:00:34 GMT
It pisses me off no end when the woke virtual signallers call leavers xenophobes.
One of the Polish worked with married an Indian.She told me that she couldn’t ever live in Poland, they are too racist. When she travelled to Poland together they were both openly Insulted.
Lithuanians hated Lithuanian ethnic Russians and Poles . I worked with an ethnic Russian Lithuanian who was openly hated by other Lithuanians.
I asked a Lithuanian why he never tried to work in Germany. He told me that you had to speak German to get work.
Not us. I’ve had East Europeans foisted on me that could only speak’ cigarette break’ and ‘ lunch’. I wonder who taught them that ?
The migrants only really socialised with their own groups ( apart from the occasional one who was shagging the managers).
In my experience migrants were used to suppress wages for the low paid and bring down semi skilled wages to NMW.
We do have a lefties here who used young itinerant cheap Labour to under cut English workers and thinks it was a good thing .
…and the leftie ex remainers wonder why we treat them with contempt when they pontificate.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 14, 2023 18:02:36 GMT
I was responding to this post by Bentley >> "Brexit has taken away the problem of cheap Labour stagnating wages and work conditions. It also has taken away small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups. Maybe they ex remainers should imagine their town being overrun by brexiters.
Scary eh?I never raised the issue of race or racism, Bentley did, and I certainly never suggested that Brexit voting people were racists, though a fairly large proportion obviously are. Why should people find it unbearable for young Polish people, or Czechs or Latvians to live in their town or village ?, how does having a Polish family living next door impact your quality of life, or affect your way of living. ? The overwhelming vast majority of young Eastern European migrants are decent, hard working people, who came here to work and create a better life for themselves, most integrate very well with British society. I repeat - only a xenophobe would have an issue with Eastern Europeans living in their neighbourhood There's nothing racist about opposing the system of freedom of movement as wage parity doesn't exist across the EU, so it is used by unscrupulous bosses to undercut locals and compress wages in more affluent countries. If wage parity existed that would be different. Immigrants should be judged on who they are, not by whether they're from the EU. If someone has skills, they have skills. If someone is a convicted criminal, we need to know what they did and come to a decision. If someone has no skills, stay where you are and don't make matters worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 18:34:30 GMT
I repeat - that race was initially brought into the debate by Bentley with this statement > " small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups"
The statement is factually incorrect, the two British towns with the highest numbers of Eastern Europeans are Peterborough and Boston.
The Eastern European population of Peterborough is 14,000, in a city of 216,000 people ( 6.5% )
The Eastern European population of Boston is about 11% of the total population of 45,000
Only a xenophobe would make a false statement that UK towns are "over-run by ethnic groups"
If the grounds of your opposition to Freedom of Movement were economic grounds, high unemployment etc, then it would be rational. But to use grounds of ethnicity, race or nationality, combined with terms such as "Over Run", then your opposition is based upon xenophobia.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 18:48:18 GMT
Vinny >> "If someone has no skills, stay where you are and don't make matters worse."
I think that you are wrong, it is precisely these jobs and vaccancies which have been the problem, with many thousands of unskilled vaccancies now unfilled in the catering, hospitality, leisure, food and food processing sectors, also in care work.
It was also the food and agricultural sectors in particular which were held back and were unable to fill vaccancies for many years until the Eastern Europeans came along.
Not only did the Poles, Latvians and others fill unfilled jobs, they also allowed many companies to flourish, invest and expand, there are many examples of this.
There are food processers here in the North of England who could never fill vaccancies, many offered excellent terms and conditions. Its not simply a matter of hikeing up the pay to attract people, its the fact that many of these jobs involve working in refrigerated ambient temperatures, working in cold, wet conditions, repetetive work such as packaging, shift work including nights.
Hike up the pay and you make your product uncompetetive, the Europeans win
MOST large food processers now in the agricultural areas of England would not survive without their European workforce, and thats a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 19:58:42 GMT
I hope Starmer is thoroughly exposed for the hypocritical, lying, and utterly unprincipled chancer that he is. And many of those around him are no better. And pulling the strings in the background is that slimy bastard Mandelson. The only way Starmer will get into No10 is if he breaks in ...!! No, he will be doing what the Tories often do - relying on the idiot vote to get him over the line. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 14, 2023 20:12:31 GMT
I repeat - that race was initially brought into the debate by Bentley with this statement > " small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups"The statement is factually incorrect, the two British towns with the highest numbers of Eastern Europeans are Peterborough and Boston. The Eastern European population of Peterborough is 14,000, in a city of 216,000 people ( 6.5% ) The Eastern European population of Boston is about 11% of the total population of 45,000 Only a xenophobe would make a false statement that UK towns are "over-run by ethnic groups" If the grounds of your opposition to Freedom of Movement were economic grounds, high unemployment etc, then it would be rational. But to use grounds of ethnicity, race or nationality, combined with terms such as "Over Run", then your opposition is based upon xenophobia. Ethnic grounds are used in many countries throughout the world as the reasons why divisions exist and unrest foments. If we all got on swimmingly then there would be no problems, so over run does not need to be in total. No ethnic group likes an area they live in to be changed. Brick lane is now being chnaged by development and gentrification and guess what the locals object like the Bengal Heritage group whose mission aims to highlight, retain and restore the Bengali community's cultural and heritage asset. In fact it looks like they fear being overrun by incomers of different ethnic groups, strange that. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 14, 2023 20:14:10 GMT
Vinny >> "If someone has no skills, stay where you are and don't make matters worse."I think that you are wrong, it is precisely these jobs and vaccancies which have been the problem, with many thousands of unskilled vaccancies now unfilled in the catering, hospitality, leisure, food and food processing sectors, also in care work. It was also the food and agricultural sectors in particular which were held back and were unable to fill vaccancies for many years until the Eastern Europeans came along. Not only did the Poles, Latvians and others fill unfilled jobs, they also allowed many companies to flourish, invest and expand, there are many examples of this. There are food processers here in the North of England who could never fill vaccancies, many offered excellent terms and conditions. Its not simply a matter of hikeing up the pay to attract people, its the fact that many of these jobs involve working in refrigerated ambient temperatures, working in cold, wet conditions, repetetive work such as packaging, shift work including nights. Hike up the pay and you make your product uncompetetive, the Europeans win MOST large food processers now in the agricultural areas of England would not survive without their European workforce, and thats a fact. And just how has all of this bullshit helped in say Sweden or Italy? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 14, 2023 20:51:38 GMT
Starmers hypocrisy goes way back...
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Post by jonksy on Apr 14, 2023 21:07:33 GMT
The only way Starmer will get into No10 is if he breaks in ...!! No, he will be doing what the Tories often do - relying on the idiot vote to get him over the line. Well lets hope there are more tory idiots than labour ones. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 14, 2023 21:23:44 GMT
starmers is quoted as saying.......“With my Labour government, every pound will be precious.”.....Not exactly precious for the taxpayers whoes money he will use to piss against the wall.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 14, 2023 21:45:06 GMT
I repeat - that race was initially brought into the debate by Bentley with this statement > " small villages and towns effectively being over run by ethnic groups"The statement is factually incorrect, the two British towns with the highest numbers of Eastern Europeans are Peterborough and Boston. The Eastern European population of Peterborough is 14,000, in a city of 216,000 people ( 6.5% ) The Eastern European population of Boston is about 11% of the total population of 45,000 Only a xenophobe would make a false statement that UK towns are "over-run by ethnic groups" If the grounds of your opposition to Freedom of Movement were economic grounds, high unemployment etc, then it would be rational. But to use grounds of ethnicity, race or nationality, combined with terms such as "Over Run", then your opposition is based upon xenophobia. An old friend after 22 years left the army and went back home, to where he grew up in London. He didn't like it. It had changed, a lot. The neighborhood was full of loud aggressive black youths who made no secret of the fact they would stab or shoot anyone who got in their way. My friend wasn't overly concerned for himself, but he didn't want his family to live in that area, an area he had fond memories of from childhood. He moved to Lincolnshire because property was cheap (I'm going back 24 years) He bought a nice house and for a few years things were fine, however. He now lives in rural Kent because the area in Lincolnshire he moved to, now looks and sounds more like an east European enclave than rural England. He said he increasingly felt like an immigrant in his own neighborhood, so he upped sticks again. I'm sure you would call him a racist or a xenophobe. I asked you earlier if you were posting from this country, it wasn't a flippant comment. Are you living in the UK? |
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