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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 21:24:05 GMT
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 18, 2023 1:29:54 GMT
You seem to be missing the glaringly obvious... If you identify yourself as "working class" you are falling for left-wing propaganda. You are allowing yourself to drawn into a class war that simply doesn't exist anymore. This "war" is not to benefit yourself, but to benefit the people selling you that class war. This is my problem with many in the Labour party, they are selling victimhood rather than a positive vision. If you throw away your education, fail to improve yourself, do destructive things and fail to look after your health then you are going to fail under any party. However, under the Tories you will suffer a lot more because their whole ethos is about personal responsibility. There is no giant conspiracy to keep the working class in their place, it is just a meaningless chip that people put onto their own shoulders. Therefore Labour should be focusing on how they are going to help more people to succeed (through increased opportunities and education). I don't use the term "working class" so stop insinuating that I do. I have pointed out how reward for effort seems to disappear at skilled level, and that in my experience is fair comment. Try growing up, and start by stopping your lying claims about who or what I am. I have NEVER been anyone's victim, I have ALWAYS been proud, hard working and reliable. So your insults are all owned by yourself, nothing to do with me. You really are quite stupid to confuse wage rates with a "conspiracy" against the lower paid, they are just a fact of life. It seems it always has been the case that if you don't like the wage level then off you pop, you are so easily replaced. I am not stupid enough to let reality get me down, but it seems that you are, where else would your nonsense come from other than within your own head. Nice rant, however I wasn't talking about you personally lol. "If you identify as working class" is not talking about you, it is talking about ANYBODY that identifies as working class. If I was talking about you I would have said "you identify as working class...". Likewise, I didn't call you a victim, you just chose to read it that way. Not everything is about you... lol. I was responding to your claim about people falling for Tory propaganda as if it is unique to them. I was merely pointing out that the left uses propaganda too, which tries to tell you (not you personally lol) that you are a victim, and that somebody else is to blame for your problems. I've noticed that you (I am actually talking about you personally) mistake the context of "you" quite a lot. I very rarely get personnel, I was making a point about people who behave in a certain way. Ironically, you take everything personally (even when it isn't aimed at you), and then are quick to get personal about other people. I suggest you slow down and read what people are actually writing, rather than going off half cocked all the time. You are also wrong on wage rates. The market sets the level of wages through supply and demand, the only things the government can do it set a starting point and control immigration. Companies then position themselves on, above, below the market rate depending on their policies on recruiting and retaining. ie if they pay peanuts, they get monkeys. If you pay top dollar you get the best, and they stay. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 18, 2023 11:03:07 GMT
Starmer has already answered that point. As shadow leader under Corbyn he had to work on friendly terms with him. He has stated since, that his working relationship did not extend into his personal life. i.e. for the idiots, he was never a personal friend. Stupid insinuating mentally deficient right-wing nonners refuse to acknowledge the difference. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 18, 2023 11:21:46 GMT
I don't use the term "working class" so stop insinuating that I do. I have pointed out how reward for effort seems to disappear at skilled level, and that in my experience is fair comment. Try growing up, and start by stopping your lying claims about who or what I am. I have NEVER been anyone's victim, I have ALWAYS been proud, hard working and reliable. So your insults are all owned by yourself, nothing to do with me. You really are quite stupid to confuse wage rates with a "conspiracy" against the lower paid, they are just a fact of life. It seems it always has been the case that if you don't like the wage level then off you pop, you are so easily replaced. I am not stupid enough to let reality get me down, but it seems that you are, where else would your nonsense come from other than within your own head. Nice rant, however I wasn't talking about you personally lol. "If you identify as working class" is not talking about you, it is talking about ANYBODY that identifies as working class. If I was talking about you I would have said "you identify as working class...". Likewise, I didn't call you a victim, you just chose to read it that way. Not everything is about you... lol. I was responding to your claim about people falling for Tory propaganda as if it is unique to them. I was merely pointing out that the left uses propaganda too, which tries to tell you (not you personally lol) that you are a victim, and that somebody else is to blame for your problems. I've noticed that you (I am actually talking about you personally) mistake the context of "you" quite a lot. I very rarely get personnel, I was making a point about people who behave in a certain way. Ironically, you take everything personally (even when it isn't aimed at you), and then are quick to get personal about other people. I suggest you slow down and read what people are actually writing, rather than going off half cocked all the time. You are also wrong on wage rates. The market sets the level of wages through supply and demand, the only things the government can do it set a starting point and control immigration. Companies then position themselves on, above, below the market rate depending on their policies on recruiting and retaining. ie if they pay peanuts, they get monkeys. If you pay top dollar you get the best, and they stay. You claimed that I was fighting a working class war. I make the point that in my experience, nasty insinuating Tory propaganda is as old as the Tory party. Even on these last few forums, many righties insult, denigrate and post insinuated lies about Labour and about NL particular. And then kick up a fuss when they have to deal with their own nastiness. Exactly, the market sets wage levels, supply and demand does play a part (a point I have already made) so why is it that those with the wealth continue to get ever wealthier, while many hard working people have to struggle earning whatever they can earn, is it just luck or do the wealthy have influences that benefit them? Or is it that their hands are the closest to the tills? |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 18, 2023 13:21:57 GMT
Nice rant, however I wasn't talking about you personally lol. "If you identify as working class" is not talking about you, it is talking about ANYBODY that identifies as working class. If I was talking about you I would have said "you identify as working class...". Likewise, I didn't call you a victim, you just chose to read it that way. Not everything is about you... lol. I was responding to your claim about people falling for Tory propaganda as if it is unique to them. I was merely pointing out that the left uses propaganda too, which tries to tell you (not you personally lol) that you are a victim, and that somebody else is to blame for your problems. I've noticed that you (I am actually talking about you personally) mistake the context of "you" quite a lot. I very rarely get personnel, I was making a point about people who behave in a certain way. Ironically, you take everything personally (even when it isn't aimed at you), and then are quick to get personal about other people. I suggest you slow down and read what people are actually writing, rather than going off half cocked all the time. You are also wrong on wage rates. The market sets the level of wages through supply and demand, the only things the government can do it set a starting point and control immigration. Companies then position themselves on, above, below the market rate depending on their policies on recruiting and retaining. ie if they pay peanuts, they get monkeys. If you pay top dollar you get the best, and they stay. You claimed that I was fighting a working class war. I make the point that in my experience, nasty insinuating Tory propaganda is as old as the Tory party. Even on these last few forums, many righties insult, denigrate and post insinuated lies about Labour and about NL particular. And then kick up a fuss when they have to deal with their own nastiness. Exactly, the market sets wage levels, supply and demand does play a part (a point I have already made) so why is it that those with the wealth continue to get ever wealthier, while many hard working people have to struggle earning whatever they can earn, is it just luck or do the wealthy have influences that benefit them? Or is it that their hands are the closest to the tills? Listen my friend, I already said the "you" was not about you personally. To clarify, I was talking about how parties on the left want people to identify as working class so that they can peddle them a class war. All sides seek to attach labels onto people so they can establish who is good vs bad. The right seek to blame immigrants and benefits scroungers, the left seek to blame billionaires and the upper class. It is all a load of bollocks. What you should look for from a politician is an honest conversation about how they are going to improve your life. As you have said about your life, when you took an opportunity it led to a success, and success opens up more opportunities. That is what I want from Labour... show me how you are going to improve opportunities and set a positive vision, because I give zero fucks about your current agenda of creating victims / oppressors. In this case "you" and "your" refers to Labour, not you personally  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 19, 2023 7:35:51 GMT
The future is like the past....  |
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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 9:09:45 GMT
The future is like the past.... Hmm, bloggers should rule, only those whom we agree with of course LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 9:38:34 GMT
The worst patient safety scandal in the entire history of the NHS is happening NOW, and it is the fact that people have died, and are continuing to die because of waiting times for ambulances.
People with potential life threataning issues are waiting weeks just to get a GP appointment, then more weeks for specialised referrals.
The British National Health Service which we were once proud of, is now SHITE, its something to be embarresed about, and the Tories have made it that way.
18 months to go - and the job of repairing the Tory damage ( yet again ) will begin
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Post by see2 on Apr 19, 2023 9:40:54 GMT
The future is like the past.... Hmm, bloggers should rule, only those whom we agree with of course LOL Fox lied? Not surprising to me, I recognise a tradition of Right-wing lying, distorting, insinuating and arrogantly denigrating others as a norm for them. __"Fox News agreed to pay $787.5 million to settle a voting machine maker’s defamation lawsuit over the network’s 2020 election broadcasts, striking a deal on the brink of a potentially embarrassing six-week trial."__ news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/fox-agrees-to-settle-dominion-lawsuit-over-election-fraud-claims |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 19, 2023 9:53:53 GMT
The future is like the past.... He who controls the present controls the past. Orwell. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2023 10:25:26 GMT
And so the really big issue when voters go to the polls ?
Was Starmer a friend of Jeremy Corbyn, or was he not a friend, this is relivant to the state of the NHS ?, the cost of living crisis ?, the state of the economy ?, rising poverty, the housing crisis or the war in Ukraine.
Voters want credible answers to the problems we face, not playground issues.
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Post by jonksy on Apr 20, 2023 0:51:55 GMT
And so the really big issue when voters go to the polls ? Was Starmer a friend of Jeremy Corbyn, or was he not a friend, this is relivant to the state of the NHS ?, the cost of living crisis ?, the state of the economy ?, rising poverty, the housing crisis or the war in Ukraine. Voters want credible answers to the problems we face, not playground issues. The rapist who proves Keir Starmer really is 'Sir Softy' on crime: Labour leader opposed deportation of criminal, 40, who has been living in Britain for three years after being jailed for vile sex attacks on teenage girls www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992213/Keir-Starmer-opposed-deportation-criminal-jailed-vile-sex-attacks-teenage-girls.html |
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Post by see2 on Apr 20, 2023 7:45:11 GMT
And so the really big issue when voters go to the polls ? Was Starmer a friend of Jeremy Corbyn, or was he not a friend, this is relivant to the state of the NHS ?, the cost of living crisis ?, the state of the economy ?, rising poverty, the housing crisis or the war in Ukraine. Voters want credible answers to the problems we face, not playground issues. The rapist who proves Keir Starmer really is 'Sir Softy' on crime: Labour leader opposed deportation of criminal, 40, who has been living in Britain for three years after being jailed for vile sex attacks on teenage girls www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11992213/Keir-Starmer-opposed-deportation-criminal-jailed-vile-sex-attacks-teenage-girls.htmlIt seems that you persist in being influenced by possibly one of the most unreliable news outlets around, no wonder your posts make no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2023 19:05:51 GMT
It seems that you persist in being influenced by possibly one of the most unreliable news outlets around, no wonder your posts make no sense. What exactly was incorrect or unreliable in that report? |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 21, 2023 1:13:01 GMT
The worst patient safety scandal in the entire history of the NHS is happening NOW, and it is the fact that people have died, and are continuing to die because of waiting times for ambulances. People with potential life threataning issues are waiting weeks just to get a GP appointment, then more weeks for specialised referrals. The British National Health Service which we were once proud of, is now SHITE, its something to be embarresed about, and the Tories have made it that way. 18 months to go - and the job of repairing the Tory damage ( yet again ) will begin You don't solve a problem by having a dishonest debate about it. The Tories have done some things wrong (namely recruitment and retention), but many of the problems are out of their control. 1) We are a nation of fat unhealthy fuckers that take no responsibility for our own health and expect the NHS to mop up. 2) The public insisted on the lockdowns, which created an enormous backlog. 3) Financial crisis and now COVID have left the public purse in tatters. 4) People are living longer and are ending up with dementia which costs a fortune. 5) People do not look after elderly relatives anymore, which again costs a fortune. 6) The UK public want Nordic levels of public services, on American levels of taxes. 7) The UK public demand their right to inherit their parents property / estate, and therefore resist elderly care being paid for by the person that needs it! 8) The direction of nursing has changed, meaning that it is now a highly academic profession and that has put a lot of people off. 9) Treatments are becoming more and more costly, and more conditions can be treated. Add about another 50 things to that list and then tell me that Labour are going to turn around the NHS so easily lol. Look around, we have a public health emergency with the majority of the population eating too much, eating the wrong foods, drinking too much, smoking too much and not being active enough. WHICH YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED ONCE and neither will Labour because they are too fucking woke to risk being called fat shamers!! |
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