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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 21:27:42 GMT
Her last year in office was around 1.8% growth, her average growth was less than Blair's average. She sold the family silver in order to keep her head above water, I wonder how much of her income was used on unemployment pay and such like? LOL - Blair was gifted a booming economy from the Tories - Thatcher was inherited an economic basket case from Labour. As it happens once Labour stopped following Tory spending plans after the first 3 years, Blairs record for 2001-2006 averages out at 2.4% - which is exactly the same as Thatchers average.  You must know that your post has everything to do with your blind political bias. I suppose it makes you feel a bit better LOL 1. Liar. Blair inherited all the, ignored by Thatcher, black holes in: Education, in the NHS, in the apprenticeship schemes, and much of her unemployment which was still higher than when she came to office in 1979. You must know that the three year comment was part of the election propaganda, because NL made some of its major changes in the first 3 years in office. Here's a couple to start with: 1998 Minimum wage introduced. 1998 VAT on domestic fuel reduced. Neither of which would have happened if Thatcher had remained in office. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 21:41:07 GMT
Most of what Tony Blair did was to help ordinary people, Bullshit - Blair opened the floodgates to mass immigration that led to the wage stagnation we see today. The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened, your terminology is crap. I'll bet you have never read the reality of that period, or of how long it was before other EU countries increased their intake of FoM migrants at that time. What we have is typical right-wing dishonesty. Without the influx of skilled and professional workers the country would have been in the mess designed by your idol Thatcher. So called wage stagnation is an exaggeration, the minimum wage continued to be increased. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 22:06:37 GMT
Bullshit - Blair opened the floodgates to mass immigration that led to the wage stagnation we see today. The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened, your terminology is crap. I'll bet you have never read the reality of that period, or of how long it was before other EU countries increased their intake of FoM migrants at that time. What we have is typical right-wing dishonesty. Without the influx of skilled and professional workers the country would have been in the mess designed by your idol Thatcher. So called wage stagnation is an exaggeration, the minimum wage continued to be increased. By barely the rate of inflation, let alone the true cost of living, hence wage stagnation in real terms. The Tories have actually increased the real terms value of the minimum wage by vastly more than Labour did. Which is an indictment of Labour failure if ever I heard one. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 16, 2023 22:30:31 GMT
The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened, your terminology is crap. I'll bet you have never read the reality of that period, or of how long it was before other EU countries increased their intake of FoM migrants at that time. What we have is typical right-wing dishonesty. Without the influx of skilled and professional workers the country would have been in the mess designed by your idol Thatcher. So called wage stagnation is an exaggeration, the minimum wage continued to be increased. By barely the rate of inflation, let alone the true cost of living, hence wage stagnation in real terms. The Tories have actually increased the real terms value of the minimum wage by vastly more than Labour did. Which is an indictment of Labour failure if ever I heard one. Not to mention the size of the Cohort on minimum wage. That increased year on year until 2019 when it started to fall. That may well have been a Brexit effect. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 16, 2023 23:58:52 GMT
When did I say she was common? I never mentioned her skills as an MP. I said she didn't have the communication skills to be PM. It has nothing to do with her accent, it is the fact that on the big occasions she gets rattled, so in my opinion on the biggest of stages she will struggle like Liz Truss did. I did not say you said she was common i said you think she is common, get it right. Of course it has to do with her accent, you accuse her of not having the communications skills to be PM but she has been elected, just like every other MP, because of her communication skills with her constituents. She talks common, therefore she is common. What are you talking about? I made no mention of her being common, and why the fuck would I, I live like 25 miles away from her lol. You are literally arguing with yourself, because your response has no baring to what I actually typed. I said she didn't have the communication skills necessary to be PM... and then I likened her to Liz Truss who is a Tory... so by your logic I think Truss is common too?? Your other point is nonsense too, so you think that everybody who is a MP has the skills to be PM? Good luck with that argument. There are many brilliant MPs that would be shit in government, and there are many in government who are shit MPs. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 17, 2023 0:19:26 GMT
Some live in the past what do they mean by " working class" the days of flat caps, mufflers, clogs and shawls working 12 hours a day for a tanner are long gone and will never come back, the days when only the wealthy could travel and sunbathe by the Med are also gone. Some cannot work out that people will vote how they wish for whom they wish, many of them don't believe the usual words from the far left , its the rich that are holding you down any longer, that is why the Tories have been elected more times than the Labour. I think the term 'working people' just differentiates between the average wage at the lower end of the wage scale. I worked as a trained engineer for nearly thirty years, as a 'leading hand' in the latter years. I left engineering back in 1990 and retrained into a professional position. I almost trebled my pay immediately and my pay level continued to rise, enjoyed cleaner quieter working conditions, was treated with respect plus a few perks started to come my way. I have experienced a big difference between an average wage and a professional wage and a big difference in working conditions. IMO reward for effort doesn't reach the working people that I refer to. Ban misleading and insinuating propaganda, and lets how the Tories do then. You seem to be missing the glaringly obvious... If you identify yourself as "working class" you are falling for left-wing propaganda. You are allowing yourself to drawn into a class war that simply doesn't exist anymore. This "war" is not to benefit yourself, but to benefit the people selling you that class war. This is my problem with many in the Labour party, they are selling victimhood rather than a positive vision. If you throw away your education, fail to improve yourself, do destructive things and fail to look after your health then you are going to fail under any party. However, under the Tories you will suffer a lot more because their whole ethos is about personal responsibility. There is no giant conspiracy to keep the working class in their place, it is just a meaningless chip that people put onto their own shoulders. Therefore Labour should be focusing on how they are going to help more people to succeed (through increased opportunities and education). |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 17, 2023 6:45:02 GMT
There is no giant conspiracy to keep the working class in their place, it is just a meaningless chip that people put onto their own shoulders. Therefore Labour should be focusing on how they are going to help more people to succeed (through increased opportunities and education). Hmm. You appear to have missed the last decade of "austerity" which did exactly that. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The coalition government spent years blaming people on benefits for the banking crisis. Shameful. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 6:54:52 GMT
Bullshit - Blair opened the floodgates to mass immigration that led to the wage stagnation we see today. The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened What happened between 1997 and 2010?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 6:58:36 GMT
There is no giant conspiracy to keep the working class in their place, it is just a meaningless chip that people put onto their own shoulders. Therefore Labour should be focusing on how they are going to help more people to succeed (through increased opportunities and education). Hmm. You appear to have missed the last decade of "austerity" which did exactly that. The rich got richer and the poor got poorer. The coalition government spent years blaming people on benefits for the banking crisis. Shameful. Austerity?  |
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Post by see2 on Apr 17, 2023 7:15:23 GMT
I think the term 'working people' just differentiates between the average wage at the lower end of the wage scale. I worked as a trained engineer for nearly thirty years, as a 'leading hand' in the latter years. I left engineering back in 1990 and retrained into a professional position. I almost trebled my pay immediately and my pay level continued to rise, enjoyed cleaner quieter working conditions, was treated with respect plus a few perks started to come my way. I have experienced a big difference between an average wage and a professional wage and a big difference in working conditions. IMO reward for effort doesn't reach the working people that I refer to. Ban misleading and insinuating propaganda, and lets how the Tories do then. You seem to be missing the glaringly obvious... If you identify yourself as "working class" you are falling for left-wing propaganda. You are allowing yourself to drawn into a class war that simply doesn't exist anymore. This "war" is not to benefit yourself, but to benefit the people selling you that class war. This is my problem with many in the Labour party, they are selling victimhood rather than a positive vision. If you throw away your education, fail to improve yourself, do destructive things and fail to look after your health then you are going to fail under any party. However, under the Tories you will suffer a lot more because their whole ethos is about personal responsibility. There is no giant conspiracy to keep the working class in their place, it is just a meaningless chip that people put onto their own shoulders. Therefore Labour should be focusing on how they are going to help more people to succeed (through increased opportunities and education). I don't use the term "working class" so stop insinuating that I do. I have pointed out how reward for effort seems to disappear at skilled level, and that in my experience is fair comment. Try growing up, and start by stopping your lying claims about who or what I am. I have NEVER been anyone's victim, I have ALWAYS been proud, hard working and reliable. So your insults are all owned by yourself, nothing to do with me. You really are quite stupid to confuse wage rates with a "conspiracy" against the lower paid, they are just a fact of life. It seems it always has been the case that if you don't like the wage level then off you pop, you are so easily replaced. I am not stupid enough to let reality get me down, but it seems that you are, where else would your nonsense come from other than within your own head. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 17, 2023 7:21:07 GMT
The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened What happened between 1997 and 2010? An expanding economy for the best part. Between 1997 and 2008: __"the British economy expanded at a relatively healthy rate, particularly in 2000 when gross-domestic product grew by 3.7 percent."__ |
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Post by see2 on Apr 17, 2023 7:27:28 GMT
Most of what Tony Blair did was to help ordinary people, Bullshit - Blair opened the floodgates to mass immigration that led to the wage stagnation we see today. So the 'meltdown, the years of austerity and Covid' played no part. Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 17, 2023 7:38:38 GMT
What happened between 1997 and 2010? An expanding economy for the best part. Between 1997 and 2008: __"the British economy expanded at a relatively healthy rate, particularly in 2000 when gross-domestic product grew by 3.7 percent."__ You are a fool - immigration went from 40,000 to almost 300,000 a year. That is a city the size of Newcastle being added to country each year. With that growth in demand its no surprise that house prices went through the roof under Labour and our people struggle to afford decent housing - the damage done by New Labour will continue to hurt us for decades. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 17, 2023 7:53:00 GMT
The bull shit is all yours, the floodgates were NEVER opened, your terminology is crap. I'll bet you have never read the reality of that period, or of how long it was before other EU countries increased their intake of FoM migrants at that time. What we have is typical right-wing dishonesty. Without the influx of skilled and professional workers the country would have been in the mess designed by your idol Thatcher. So called wage stagnation is an exaggeration, the minimum wage continued to be increased. By barely the rate of inflation, let alone the true cost of living, hence wage stagnation in real terms. The Tories have actually increased the real terms value of the minimum wage by vastly more than Labour did. Which is an indictment of Labour failure if ever I heard one. Got any figures for increases in the national minimum wage 2000 to 2008? The National living wage act 2016 had to take into account the damage done by the 'Meltdown' and years of austerity. A time when even the private sector wages stagnated. It is biased silliness to suggest that a NL government would not have addressed that problem. So your "indictment of Labour failure is just more silliness slipping out of you totally biased mind. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 17, 2023 8:04:19 GMT
An expanding economy for the best part. Between 1997 and 2008: __"the British economy expanded at a relatively healthy rate, particularly in 2000 when gross-domestic product grew by 3.7 percent."__ You are a fool - immigration went from 40,000 to almost 300,000 a year. That is a city the size of Newcastle being added to country each year. With that growth in demand its no surprise that house prices went through the roof under Labour and our people struggle to afford decent housing - the damage done by New Labour will continue to hurt us for decades. You are an idiot in not taking into account that unemployment was still lower than that inherited from the Tories in 1997. Oh! 300,000 a year. "WebNov 24, 2022 · Overall, an estimated 1.1m people migrated to the UK in the year to June. ---- Maybe we should send for Blair? |
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