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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 15, 2023 17:01:14 GMT
Let me lead you to the truth  The economy WAS already on the slide even though it had reduced from over 20% inflation to around 10%. The Unions were never running anything, pissed off workers took things into their own hands and. As it happened, they helped to cut their own throats. Because they played right into Thatcher's right-wing Neo Liberal hands. That piece of political garbage Thatcher was quick to use the LIE that the problems were caused by the unions and nationalisations, a ABSOLUTE LIE swallow by the naive such as yourself. As you do not recognise the insidious nature of right-wing propaganda, you can NEVER form a well informed political opinion. So I leave you to wallow once again. That's not true. Possibly the most notorious were the print unions and their teamster's style closed shops. Even other unions saw that and ended up booting out NGA, AUEW, and Sogart. That was the reason Murdoch was able to get Wapping up and running with approx 700 printers producing the same as 7000 of the old lot.
Miners and train drivers were probably the most disliked and caused more misery among the general population...
Indeed. My father was a shop steward (FOC) in the NGA many moons ago but he sacked it off in the early 70s due to the ridiculous union excesses.
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 15, 2023 17:05:21 GMT
Pacifico's claim that "this is the damage that Labour did to our country" is as far removed from reality as you can possibly get. More twaddle from Sid (as expected) Labour inherited a falling immigration level in 1997. Under the Tories net immigration peaked in 1994 and then started falling - then Labour arrived and the numbers increased through the stratosphere..  |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 15, 2023 17:09:28 GMT
That's not true. Possibly the most notorious were the print unions and their teamster's style closed shops. Even other unions saw that and ended up booting out NGA, AUEW, and Sogart. That was the reason Murdoch was able to get Wapping up and running with approx 700 printers producing the same as 7000 of the old lot.
Miners and train drivers were probably the most disliked and caused more misery among the general population...
Indeed. My father was a shop steward (FOC) in the NGA many moons ago but he sacked it off in the early 70s due to the ridiculous union excesses.
London central branch ? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 15, 2023 17:39:29 GMT
Indeed. My father was a shop steward (FOC) in the NGA many moons ago but he sacked it off in the early 70s due to the ridiculous union excesses.
London central branch ? Sorry, I don't know (but he did spend most of his working life in London). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 19:50:53 GMT
There usually are. Anyone who votes Tory whilst not well off is by definition an idiot in the first place. I know families that are struggling that vote Tory. Exactly. Idiots. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 16, 2023 0:27:07 GMT
Being "working class" isn't the problem. She just doesn't have the communication skills to be PM, in much the same way it was obvious that Liz Truss didn't. So she did not communicate to be elected an MP? You just think she is 'common' bit of snobbery showing there. Or do you just think MPs should be rich toffs? When did I say she was common? I never mentioned her skills as an MP. I said she didn't have the communication skills to be PM. It has nothing to do with her accent, it is the fact that on the big occasions she gets rattled, so in my opinion on the biggest of stages she will struggle like Liz Truss did. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 16, 2023 0:35:30 GMT
Oh I don't know, there is a long history of working class Tories who prefer to support an idea that they can have a future where their lives are improved for them and their families. Not all working class are content to follow the Labour view that they should stay the same as their fathers (and fathers fathers etc) - aspiration is a powerful draw for some. There is a long history of working people who have repeatedly voted against their own well being, as throughout the 1980s for instance. Its down to the lies the insinuated lies, the persistent insults and denigration promoted by the money power come Tory propaganda machine. And the idiots who suck it up and spread it because they have been suckered into believing the right-wing garbage. You do understand that although you like to group people into a label (eg working class), those labels are virtually meaningless because we are not clones, we all have individual circumstances? So to say working people vote against their interest is equally meaningless. All you are really saying is that you think you have some kind of superior intellect that makes you above "propaganda"... which is very ironic, because you have literally stolen this thought from left wing propaganda haha. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2023 7:16:50 GMT
So she did not communicate to be elected an MP? You just think she is 'common' bit of snobbery showing there. Or do you just think MPs should be rich toffs? When did I say she was common? I never mentioned her skills as an MP. I said she didn't have the communication skills to be PM. It has nothing to do with her accent, it is the fact that on the big occasions she gets rattled, so in my opinion on the biggest of stages she will struggle like Liz Truss did. I did not say you said she was common i said you think she is common, get it right. Of course it has to do with her accent, you accuse her of not having the communications skills to be PM but she has been elected, just like every other MP, because of her communication skills with her constituents. She talks common, therefore she is common. |
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Post by sheepy on Apr 16, 2023 7:45:04 GMT
When did I say she was common? I never mentioned her skills as an MP. I said she didn't have the communication skills to be PM. It has nothing to do with her accent, it is the fact that on the big occasions she gets rattled, so in my opinion on the biggest of stages she will struggle like Liz Truss did. I did not say you said she was common i said you think she is common, get it right. Of course it has to do with her accent, you accuse her of not having the communications skills to be PM but she has been elected, just like every other MP, because of her communication skills with her constituents. She talks common, therefore she is common. So what? she is common as things go, no crime in being common. She spouts a lot of political bollox for the audience of the pantomime but then don't they all. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 11:10:36 GMT
Pacifico's claim that "this is the damage that Labour did to our country" is as far removed from reality as you can possibly get. More twaddle from Sid (as expected) Labour inherited a falling immigration level in 1997. Under the Tories net immigration peaked in 1994 and then started falling - then Labour arrived and the numbers increased through the stratosphere.. Yes we know very well but thinking people acknowledge the expanding economy and the crap condition left by the Tories where people left without work in their trade found different methods of earning a living. Thanks to Thatcher's destruction of thousands of businesses, I, no doubt like millions more, left my Trade after some 30 years in engineering, and never returned to my trade. Add to that Thatcher's destruction of the apprenticeship system by introducing 'Self Employed Status' and we get a serious shortage of skilled and professional personnel. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 11:23:42 GMT
There is a long history of working people who have repeatedly voted against their own well being, as throughout the 1980s for instance. Its down to the lies the insinuated lies, the persistent insults and denigration promoted by the money power come Tory propaganda machine. And the idiots who suck it up and spread it because they have been suckered into believing the right-wing garbage. You do understand that although you like to group people into a label (eg working class), those labels are virtually meaningless because we are not clones, we all have individual circumstances? So to say working people vote against their interest is equally meaningless. All you are really saying is that you think you have some kind of superior intellect that makes you above "propaganda"... which is very ironic, because you have literally stolen this thought from left wing propaganda haha. I used the term "working people". Thatcher did enormous financial and social damage yet she was repeatedly voted for serving 11 years, and only then kicked out of office by her own party. How is that not working people --- repeatedly voting against "their own well being"? --- I recognise right-wing garbage when I see it. I imagine your laugh was an idiots giggle. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 11:28:21 GMT
Try finding a second brain cell. 4Million unemployed ring a bell, skilled workers finding shelf filling jobs? Take a rest mate you posts are heading downhill. Now you are just being a clown - stop trying to pretend you can mind read..  I provided evidence that was plain to see, yet you still resist the obvious. Mind reading was not and is not needed. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 16, 2023 11:42:41 GMT
I know families that are struggling that vote Tory. Exactly. Idiots. Yes I have known a few, I remember one back in the 1980s who helped me to better understand the the damage the press can do. He quoted the Sun newspaper as his reason for voting Tory. The unelected power of the press. Personally, I have just sold a house, and added £26,000 to the income from the sale in order to buy the property my wife was set on buying. Oh yes, and in over 60 years of voting, I have actually voted for the Tories once. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 16, 2023 14:25:45 GMT
Now you are just being a clown - stop trying to pretend you can mind read.. I provided evidence that was plain to see, yet you still resist the obvious. Mind reading was not and is not needed. Well as Dave pointed out, your supposed mind reading abilities are bunk - I'll leave it at that. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 16, 2023 14:32:24 GMT
You do understand that although you like to group people into a label (eg working class), those labels are virtually meaningless because we are not clones, we all have individual circumstances? So to say working people vote against their interest is equally meaningless. All you are really saying is that you think you have some kind of superior intellect that makes you above "propaganda"... which is very ironic, because you have literally stolen this thought from left wing propaganda haha. I used the term "working people". Thatcher did enormous financial and social damage yet she was repeatedly voted for serving 11 years, and only then kicked out of office by her own party. How is that not working people --- repeatedly voting against "their own well being"? --- I recognise right-wing garbage when I see it. I imagine your laugh was an idiots giggle. What financial and social damage did she do? The economy was starting to boom when she left office and was recognisesdas strong. The social damage is a subjective opinion. If it is mining communities she only hastened the inevitable as the eco warriors would be sitting at pitheads to stop coal being extracted. |
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