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Post by wapentake on Apr 9, 2023 7:20:50 GMT
Maybe somewhere in between?
Ten years ago Thatcher died,as a politician I detested her and much of her legacy is discredited imo like the failed privatisations.
Couldn't believe the celebrations when she died though she was a human being and I don’t celebrate others deaths.
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Post by sheepy on Apr 9, 2023 7:30:42 GMT
Maybe somewhere in between? Ten years ago Thatcher died,as a politician I detested her and much of her legacy is discredited imo like the failed privatisations. Couldn't believe the celebrations when she died though she was a human being and I don’t celebrate others deaths. Like many I guess, who lived through her policies I saw first hand how she turned society on its head, some will say good some will say bad, as politics goes, I feel an indifference to all of them. Which is fairly mutual these days between politicians and voters, which they all richly deserve.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 9, 2023 7:34:01 GMT
Maybe somewhere in between? Ten years ago Thatcher died,as a politician I detested her and much of her legacy is discredited imo like the failed privatisations. Couldn't believe the celebrations when she died though she was a human being and I don’t celebrate others deaths. Like many I guess, who lived through her policies I saw first hand how she turned society on its head, some will say good some will say bad, as politics goes, I feel an indifference to all of them. Which is fairly mutual these days between politicians and voters, which they all richly deserve. I can understand the indifference because as you say the disconnect between Westminster and the plebs as the voters are regarded has been long.
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Post by piglet on Apr 9, 2023 13:19:22 GMT
Loved. The privatisations are a bit of a foul up, having said that, state run stuff is a disgrace. Thatcher could not forsee criminality, Cambridgeshire water pump shite into rivers etc. There is no winning, unless you micro manage.
As for the miners you cant have an industry that creates stuff that no one wants to buy, Poland at the time were selling coal at a fraction of the price. The miners argument was that communities were being destroyed, i still havent stopped laughing at that.
Which brings up no 3 Thatcher ran Britain to make a profit. The sad truth is that someone, somewhere, has to make money to pay for the luxuries we enjoy, try telling that to a red. Courage, her main quality....to stand up to the banshee left.
Thank you Maggie.
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Post by patman post on Apr 9, 2023 17:41:46 GMT
I'm only coming up to 42, so I was about 9 when Margaret Thatcher left office. But later, when studying modern history and a bit of politics, I recognised the how she confronted industrial disruption, steadied the UK's labour scene, and secured its place in international politics by confronting Argentina over the Falklands.
So, I reckon she was the last of Uk's able and stong PMs...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2023 16:20:36 GMT
I wouldn't say I loved her, but she is the favourite PM of my lifetime. She had great ability and vision. She knew her friends from her foes and treated them accordingly. There will never be another like her. Some will say that's good, I wouldn't.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 10, 2023 18:27:22 GMT
I'm only coming up to 42, so I was about 9 when Margaret Thatcher left office. But later, when studying modern history and a bit of politics, I recognised the how she confronted industrial disruption, steadied the UK's labour scene, and secured its place in international politics by confronting Argentina over the Falklands.So, I reckon she was the last of Uk's able and stong PMs... You do know it was the decision of her govt to remove HMS Endurance that prompted Argentina to think they could safely invade and also the much maligned Jim Callaghan earlier faced down Argentina by quietly sending a nuclear sub two frigates and two fleet auxiliary ships in operation journeyman no fuss no furore and more importantly no invasion.
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Post by Handyman on Apr 11, 2023 10:42:01 GMT
I'm only coming up to 42, so I was about 9 when Margaret Thatcher left office. But later, when studying modern history and a bit of politics, I recognised the how she confronted industrial disruption, steadied the UK's labour scene, and secured its place in international politics by confronting Argentina over the Falklands.So, I reckon she was the last of Uk's able and stong PMs... You do know it was the decision of her govt to remove HMS Endurance that prompted Argentina to think they could safely invade and also the much maligned Jim Callaghan earlier faced down Argentina by quietly sending a nuclear sub two frigates and two fleet auxiliary ships in operation journeyman no fuss no furore and more importantly no invasion. I am in my 70's so have lived under a number of PM's Harold Wilson was useless , Blair was dreadful at least Thatcher sent us into one war, Blair at least 5 times, INMO Thatcher was tough and put the UK first . In relation to HMS Endurance hardly a fighting ship of the line , she was a Royal Navy Ice Breaker, with two small Wasp Helicopters on board a small number of Royal Marines and Spanish speaking linguistic to eavesdrop on the Argies When Argentinian Marines in dressed as civilians pretending to be scrap dealers landed on South Georgia she sailed to the island and told the Argies to Foxtrot Oscar the Royal Marines showed them the way home, Endurance was later involved in Combat, her two Helicopters took part in attacks on the Argie Sub Santa Fe which the crew abandoned Endurance sometime later her hull was damaged by ice and was eventually scraped
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Post by Steve on Apr 11, 2023 11:39:08 GMT
Maybe somewhere in between? Ten years ago Thatcher died,as a politician I detested her and much of her legacy is discredited imo like the failed privatisations. Couldn't believe the celebrations when she died though she was a human being and I don’t celebrate others deaths. Hated her but she was a necessary evil. Many of the changes she brought in did the country a lot of good but her motivations were so often callously evil.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 11, 2023 11:49:19 GMT
Thatcher showed to us all that ordinary folk will sell yours and their children’s future for the price of a cheap council house . She showed us how absurd the trade unions were in the 80s. She facilitated the last stand of British military excellence ( with the help of the US). I hate the fact that the UK needed a Thatcher.
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Post by wapentake on Apr 11, 2023 12:27:17 GMT
You do know it was the decision of her govt to remove HMS Endurance that prompted Argentina to think they could safely invade and also the much maligned Jim Callaghan earlier faced down Argentina by quietly sending a nuclear sub two frigates and two fleet auxiliary ships in operation journeyman no fuss no furore and more importantly no invasion. I am in my 70's so have lived under a number of PM's Harold Wilson was useless , Blair was dreadful at least Thatcher sent us into one war, Blair at least 5 times, INMO Thatcher was tough and put the UK first . In relation to HMS Endurance hardly a fighting ship of the line , she was a Royal Navy Ice Breaker, with two small Wasp Helicopters on board a small number of Royal Marines and Spanish speaking linguistic to eavesdrop on the Argies
When Argentinian Marines in dressed as civilians pretending to be scrap dealers landed on South Georgia she sailed to the island and told the Argies to Foxtrot Oscar the Royal Marines showed them the way home, Endurance was later involved in Combat, her two Helicopters took part in attacks on the Argie Sub Santa Fe which the crew abandonedEndurance sometime later her hull was damaged by ice and was eventually scraped That’s all very well but a post Falklands war enquiry concluded that the decision to scrap Endurance emboldened Argentina to attack because they thought that decision meant the UK no longer cared about the Islands. Regarding your other comments yes I did detest Thatcher and thought I couldn’t another more then along came Anthony Lynton Blair who I detest more. Regards Thatcher though on another thread a poster (can’t remember who) though it highly amusing that the thought mining communities were decimated by her,I wasn’t and saw some once proud working communities reduced to crime and drug ridden dumps,there was no other employment l
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Post by Handyman on Apr 11, 2023 13:12:24 GMT
The report I read claimed it may have influenced the Argies to invade the Falkland, the Endeavour spent 11 months on station the Argies signed the surrender in her ward room she was the last one to leave, she was finally paid off in 1991.
As for the coal mines I had relatives who were miners , more closed under Labour than Maggie and yes they were very difficult times back then especially in the North
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Post by patman post on Apr 11, 2023 13:42:54 GMT
Maybe somewhere in between? Ten years ago Thatcher died,as a politician I detested her and much of her legacy is discredited imo like the failed privatisations. Couldn't believe the celebrations when she died though she was a human being and I don’t celebrate others deaths. Hated her but she was a necessary evil. Many of the changes she brought in did the country a lot of good but her motivations were so often callously evil.If that's the case, it's an allegation that could probably be made against most UK prime ministers since 1939.
UK governments treatment of various groups at home and abroad have often been brutal and/or uncaring for disadvantaged groups, however they were explained and presented. These could cover actions from the Cossack repatriation, the Malayan emergency, Kenya emergency, heavy-handed military interventions in Northern Ireland, etc...
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Post by patman post on Apr 12, 2023 16:16:17 GMT
I'm only coming up to 42, so I was about 9 when Margaret Thatcher left office. But later, when studying modern history and a bit of politics, I recognised the how she confronted industrial disruption, steadied the UK's labour scene, and secured its place in international politics by confronting Argentina over the Falklands.So, I reckon she was the last of Uk's able and stong PMs... You do know it was the decision of her govt to remove HMS Endurance that prompted Argentina to think they could safely invade and also the much maligned Jim Callaghan earlier faced down Argentina by quietly sending a nuclear sub two frigates and two fleet auxiliary ships in operation journeyman no fuss no furore and more importantly no invasion. Whatever. But it seems to me she coped with the hands she was dealt. Part of being successful is not to do well only when things are in your favour, but also to be able to correct mistakes when they’re made. This Margaret Thatcher did — even up to the point of resigning when prolonging the contest would have split the party still further. As it was, the Tories remained in power for another seven years…
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Post by wapentake on Apr 12, 2023 17:31:17 GMT
You do know it was the decision of her govt to remove HMS Endurance that prompted Argentina to think they could safely invade and also the much maligned Jim Callaghan earlier faced down Argentina by quietly sending a nuclear sub two frigates and two fleet auxiliary ships in operation journeyman no fuss no furore and more importantly no invasion. Whatever. But it seems to me she coped with the hands she was dealt. Part of being successful is not to do well only when things are in your favour, but also to be able to correct mistakes when they’re made. This Margaret Thatcher did — even up to the point of resigning when prolonging the contest would have split the party still further. As it was, the Tories remained in power for another seven years… Whatever? Really I know you’re not some stroppy teenager. The point made was she dealt the hand she played.
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