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Post by Pacifico on Apr 9, 2023 22:00:51 GMT
I have absolutely no confidence they will be run any better by a Public Sector that is currently in charge of the NHS, Passport Office, Probate Office, Land Registry and Network Rail. ...  Couldn’t be much worse,water expensive privatisation disaster,power?  Where’s the competition,there is none nor any meaningful regulation and if any public service had done what they have you’d want them in court. Some things need to be run by the state,the military (you should know that) the essentials water and power too. I'm pretty gobsmacked that you cite the military as an example of a government service that is run well - it is currently a disaster zone than is short of everything (including manpower) and is thus no longer considered a Tier 1 operator. We currently have a Chief of the Air Staff who bizarrely believes his number one priority is to increase diversity - that is the level that we have been reduced to, over promoted yes men who will ignore military capability in a desire to hit Whitehall targets.. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 22:04:04 GMT
I think that's a tad cynical. I mean, I'm no lefty but I think the reason the government allowed indeed encouraged immigration from Jamaica was due to a post war labour shortage. That was one reason the ex remainers are telling us Brexit was a disaster . We are short of foreign low paid workers . When I worked in Harlow an old boy there told me that before the war Harlow was a very rural place where the workers knew their place . After the carrot crunchers came back from the war they wouldn’t put up with the pre war bullshit . Imo this is why the post war government imported cheap labour from the colonies . To undermine the uppity demobbed military who expected to return to a country fit for heroes . I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about the 1950's when there was still more than a quarter of a million in the army. That must have had some sort of an impact on the workforce I would have thought? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 22:09:55 GMT
I think that's a tad cynical. I mean, I'm no lefty but I think the reason the government allowed indeed encouraged immigration from Jamaica was due to a post war labour shortage. No there was no major Labour shortage, there was a services shortage whereby young white British men were forced to service the Empire abroad and basically learned very little over 18 months or two years. When they came back they had been replaced. About 2 million served in National Service between 47 and 63 whereas about 300,000 arrived in the same period. Surely the fact that during the 1950's when industry was very labour intensive and there were more than 300,000 in the armed forces, and as you rightly say National Service didn't end until 1963, these factors would have had an impact on the workforce? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2023 22:15:48 GMT
That was one reason the ex remainers are telling us Brexit was a disaster . We are short of foreign low paid workers . When I worked in Harlow an old boy there told me that before the war Harlow was a very rural place where the workers knew their place . After the carrot crunchers came back from the war they wouldn’t put up with the pre war bullshit . Imo this is why the post war government imported cheap labour from the colonies . To undermine the uppity demobbed military who expected to return to a country fit for heroes . I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about the 1950's when there was still more than a quarter of a million in the army. That must have had some sort of an impact on the workforce I would have thought? And I am talking about Brexit and the working class being given the same bullshit as the post war bullshit . National service was for a couple of years after the war. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 22:19:31 GMT
I'm not talking about Brexit, I'm talking about the 1950's when there was still more than a quarter of a million in the army. That must have had some sort of an impact on the workforce I would have thought? And I am talking about Brexit and the working class being given the same bullshit as the post war bullshit . National service was for a couple of years after the war. The last National service intake was in 1960 with the last National Servicemen demobbed in 1963. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2023 22:22:47 GMT
And I am talking about Brexit and the working class being given the same bullshit as the post war bullshit . National service was for a couple of years after the war. The last National service intake was in 1960 with the last National Servicemen demobbed in 1963. So? National service lasted about 2 years. Did we need to import permanent cheap labour from the colonies or ex colonies because of national service ? The answer is no . |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 9, 2023 22:45:24 GMT
Couldn’t be much worse,water expensive privatisation disaster,power? Where’s the competition,there is none nor any meaningful regulation and if any public service had done what they have you’d want them in court. Some things need to be run by the state,the military (you should know that) the essentials water and power too. I'm pretty gobsmacked that you cite the military as an example of a government service that is run well - it is currently a disaster zone than is short of everything (including manpower) and is thus no longer considered a Tier 1 operator. We currently have a Chief of the Air Staff who bizarrely believes his number one priority is to increase diversity - that is the level that we have been reduced to, over promoted yes men who will ignore military capability in a desire to hit Whitehall targets.. OK let’s take another angle,would you privatise the military? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 22:53:27 GMT
The last National service intake was in 1960 with the last National Servicemen demobbed in 1963. So? National service lasted about 2 years. Did we need to import permanent cheap labour from the colonies or ex colonies because of national service ? The answer is no . FFS Bentley, google it. Quote: Why did Britain have a Labour shortage after ww2?In Britain the mobilisation of people in the armed forces, the expansion of the Merchant Navy and the harnessing of industry and agriculture for the war quickly caused serious labour shortages.Anyone who thinks there was not a serious labour shortage during the 1940's and 1950's, clearly hasn't got access to google. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 22:54:39 GMT
I'm pretty gobsmacked that you cite the military as an example of a government service that is run well - it is currently a disaster zone than is short of everything (including manpower) and is thus no longer considered a Tier 1 operator. We currently have a Chief of the Air Staff who bizarrely believes his number one priority is to increase diversity - that is the level that we have been reduced to, over promoted yes men who will ignore military capability in a desire to hit Whitehall targets.. OK let’s take another angle, would you privatise the military? How on earth would that improve matters? |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 9, 2023 22:58:48 GMT
OK let’s take another angle, would you privatise the military? How on earth would that improve matters? It wouldn’t imo but I was attempting to persuade certain essentials the military water power are better state run,it can be done properly |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2023 23:08:18 GMT
So? National service lasted about 2 years. Did we need to import permanent cheap labour from the colonies or ex colonies because of national service ? The answer is no . FFS Bentley, google it. Quote: Why did Britain have a Labour shortage after ww2?In Britain the mobilisation of people in the armed forces, the expansion of the Merchant Navy and the harnessing of industry and agriculture for the war quickly caused serious labour shortages.Anyone who thinks there was not a serious labour shortage during the 1940's and 1950's, clearly hasn't got access to google. Google provided you with a quote from Churchill that you can’t prove he actually said . Ill repeat . National service was for about 2 years . The cheap Labour imported from the colonies is still with us . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 23:15:46 GMT
How on earth would that improve matters? It wouldn’t imo but I was attempting to persuade certain essentials the military water power are better state run,it can be done properly Mmmm. Nationalising the utilities is a popular argument. Especially with Labour. And although I understand, I also have reservations. History suggests the government are not very good at running industry or big business, they're politicians not businessmen. If however I were the PM, (lol) I would make it law that utilities which lets not forget are 'strategically important' should not be owned by foreign companies or governments. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 9, 2023 23:16:02 GMT
FFS Bentley, google it. Quote: Why did Britain have a Labour shortage after ww2?In Britain the mobilisation of people in the armed forces, the expansion of the Merchant Navy and the harnessing of industry and agriculture for the war quickly caused serious labour shortages.Anyone who thinks there was not a serious labour shortage during the 1940's and 1950's, clearly hasn't got access to google. Google provided you with a quote from Churchill that you can’t prove he actually said . Ill repeat . National service was for about 2 years . The cheap Labour imported from the colonies is still with us . And you can’t prove he didn’t,there was a labour shortage and one of parts of having an empire is that people from that empire came here,they fought for it in two world wars so what’s your problem? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 9, 2023 23:18:14 GMT
FFS Bentley, google it. Quote: Why did Britain have a Labour shortage after ww2?In Britain the mobilisation of people in the armed forces, the expansion of the Merchant Navy and the harnessing of industry and agriculture for the war quickly caused serious labour shortages.Anyone who thinks there was not a serious labour shortage during the 1940's and 1950's, clearly hasn't got access to google. Google provided you with a quote from Churchill that you can’t prove he actually said . Ill repeat . National service was for about 2 years . The cheap Labour imported from the colonies is still with us . This is not from Churchill - www.jstor.org/stable/1810806 |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 9, 2023 23:23:17 GMT
Google provided you with a quote from Churchill that you can’t prove he actually said . Ill repeat . National service was for about 2 years . The cheap Labour imported from the colonies is still with us . And you can’t prove he didn’t,there was a labour shortage and one of parts of having an empire is that people from that empire came here,they fought for it in two world wars so what’s your problem? I can’t prove that you are not Meghan Markle but there is very little evidence to support it. My ‘problem’ is posted in my previous posts. Where did you get the idea that ‘ one of the parts of having an empire is that people from that empire came here ‘? . The idea of having an empire is that the subjects of the empire stay where they are ffs. 🙄 |
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Where’s the competition,there is none nor any meaningful regulation and if any public service had done what they have you’d want them in court.
