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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 6:52:39 GMT
Logic says that the Speedo indicates faster speeds as the tyres wear. I've been told that at police discretion, a speeding ticket will be issued if the vehicle is travelling faster than 10% plus 2mph over the limit. I haven't knowingly tested this... I was doing about 80 on a duel carriageway when I came across a speed camera van. This undoubtedly saw me before I had time to react to it and slow down to 70. Yet I never got done for speeding as a result. Quite probably my speedo was over-calibrated so my actual speed was probably lower than 80. Was probably well over 70 though which suggests leeway. I too have heard that my local force - Devon and Cornwall police - operate a 10 percent plus 2mph leeway. That would mean your actual speed would need to exceed 79mph to fall foul. My own experience tends to suggest that this leeway is real. Different police forces operating different rules is potentially a bit of a problem re consistency. It hardly ever affects me since I very rarely travel outside of the jurisdiction of my local force. Have actually only done so three times in the last ten years. But for anyone who regularly travels long distances, different forces operating different rules is surely a problem. There is no inconsistency, you should not break the law. There is the technology available that will limit a car's ability to go over the speed limit, with a little flexibility, if that were used we would have a lot of police available to catch other criminals. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 7:16:57 GMT
I was doing about 80 on a duel carriageway when I came across a speed camera van. This undoubtedly saw me before I had time to react to it and slow down to 70. Yet I never got done for speeding as a result. Quite probably my speedo was over-calibrated so my actual speed was probably lower than 80. Was probably well over 70 though which suggests leeway. I too have heard that my local force - Devon and Cornwall police - operate a 10 percent plus 2mph leeway. That would mean your actual speed would need to exceed 79mph to fall foul. My own experience tends to suggest that this leeway is real. Different police forces operating different rules is potentially a bit of a problem re consistency. It hardly ever affects me since I very rarely travel outside of the jurisdiction of my local force. Have actually only done so three times in the last ten years. But for anyone who regularly travels long distances, different forces operating different rules is surely a problem. There is no inconsistency, you should not break the law. There is the technology available that will limit a car's ability to go over the speed limit, with a little flexibility, if that were used we would have a lot of police available to catch other criminals. Again, people would go along with that and we would have policing by consent if the limits set in the first place were always reasonable. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 3, 2023 7:34:37 GMT
The only people to 'moan' about the tactics used by the police to catch people breaking the laws are those that break the laws. But this becomes problematical when some laws are widely regarded as an ass. Policing by consent means enforcing laws with the support of the public. When it comes to speeding, most people broadly support the law when the speed limits seem appropriate for the road. But the constant war on speed waged by the sort of people in authority who eat muesli and tofu and ride to work on bicycles does quite frequently manifest as exceptionally low speed limits for some roads. This of course results in more people breaking them. Which is precisely why these are the favoured spots for police camera vans because they catch more people breaking the excessively low speed limits. And perhaps that is the whole point? Employing underhand tactics under these circumstances will simply create more ill will between people and authority. And it is not unreasonable to ask whether such financial resources would not be better spent enforcing laws that barely get investigated anymore, like burglary. Good post steve . Fully agree. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 3, 2023 7:53:35 GMT
You are moving adherence to the law into the realm of subjective opinion. One could hold the opinion that speeding at 40 in a 30 puts no one's life at risk with the overall conditions at the time in that specific area. That is not acceptable as the law is active at all times and in all areas. Gluing oneself to a road to highlight an issue that one believe's, if unaddressed, will result in the death of millions is still breaking the law as regards the King's Highway and the law should be applied. One could argue that but one could also argue that a kid behind a car is not going to run into the road. I have not said the law should not be applied to people who glue themselves to the road. The point of course being is that the law is not being applied to those gluing themselves to the road or blocking the King's Highway. If one speeds one should accept the consequences of the law if one blocks the highway the same law applies. A speed merchant does not receive a nice cup of tea from the custodians of the law. It is the inconsistency of application of the law that is the problem. |
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Post by sandypine on Apr 3, 2023 8:13:09 GMT
Logic says that the Speedo indicates faster speeds as the tyres wear. I've been told that at police discretion, a speeding ticket will be issued if the vehicle is travelling faster than 10% plus 2mph over the limit. I haven't knowingly tested this... I was doing about 80 on a duel carriageway when I came across a speed camera van. This undoubtedly saw me before I had time to react to it and slow down to 70. Yet I never got done for speeding as a result. Quite probably my speedo was over-calibrated so my actual speed was probably lower than 80. Was probably well over 70 though which suggests leeway. I too have heard that my local force - Devon and Cornwall police - operate a 10 percent plus 2mph leeway. That would mean your actual speed would need to exceed 79mph to fall foul. My own experience tends to suggest that this leeway is real. Different police forces operating different rules is potentially a bit of a problem re consistency. It hardly ever affects me since I very rarely travel outside of the jurisdiction of my local force. Have actually only done so three times in the last ten years. But for anyone who regularly travels long distances, different forces operating different rules is surely a problem. I was fined for 35mph in a 30 zone so in the West Midlands case it must be 10% +1. I was careless and that is the only speeding fine I have had in over 50 years driving. Having said that it is very difficult to keep to the speed limit without strict concentration on the speedo and it is the easiest thing in the world to drift upwards especially where conditions seem good. |
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Post by jonksy on Apr 3, 2023 8:33:43 GMT
The two things are the law of the land the breaking of which holds particular penalties. A driver has little defence as regards speeding, the gluing brigade seem to get offered cups of tea. When have they been offered cups of tea, are you related to Johnson? A police officer giving water to Just Stop Oil protester Mark Coleman, who had glued his hands to a road just off the M25 in Grays, Essex during rush hour yesterday
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Post by sandypine on Apr 3, 2023 8:50:09 GMT
The two things are the law of the land the breaking of which holds particular penalties. A driver has little defence as regards speeding, the gluing brigade seem to get offered cups of tea. When have they been offered cups of tea, are you related to Johnson? You are right, I got it wrong, there is no evidence they were offered a cup of tea. It seems that coffee was the libation of choice. www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/how-utterly-pathetic-nick-ferrari-slams-policing/ |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 3, 2023 8:58:26 GMT
I was doing about 80 on a duel carriageway when I came across a speed camera van. This undoubtedly saw me before I had time to react to it and slow down to 70. Yet I never got done for speeding as a result. Quite probably my speedo was over-calibrated so my actual speed was probably lower than 80. Was probably well over 70 though which suggests leeway. I too have heard that my local force - Devon and Cornwall police - operate a 10 percent plus 2mph leeway. That would mean your actual speed would need to exceed 79mph to fall foul. My own experience tends to suggest that this leeway is real. Different police forces operating different rules is potentially a bit of a problem re consistency. It hardly ever affects me since I very rarely travel outside of the jurisdiction of my local force. Have actually only done so three times in the last ten years. But for anyone who regularly travels long distances, different forces operating different rules is surely a problem. I was fined for 35mph in a 30 zone so in the West Midlands case it must be 10% +1. I was careless and that is the only speeding fine I have had in over 50 years driving. Having said that it is very difficult to keep to the speed limit without strict concentration on the speedo and it is the easiest thing in the world to drift upwards especially where conditions seem good. Here a list of the tolerances for different Police Forces Speed Camera settings , West Midlands withhold that information as do several other Forces www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/s… |
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Post by Orac on Apr 3, 2023 9:00:51 GMT
There is no inconsistency, you should not break the law. There is the technology available that will limit a car's ability to go over the speed limit, with a little flexibility, if that were used we would have a lot of police available to catch other criminals. Again, people would go along with that and we would have policing by consent if the limits set in the first place were always reasonable. yes - the speed limits were quite reasonable about 30 years ago. The one weak area was perhaps the 30mph limits in areas like busy high streets. |
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Post by Handyman on Apr 3, 2023 9:27:57 GMT
When have they been offered cups of tea, are you related to Johnson? A police officer giving water to Just Stop Oil protester Mark Coleman, who had glued his hands to a road just off the M25 in Grays, Essex during rush hour yesterday
As much as I dislike what the Officer is doing, as those two have been arrested or will be once the glue has been diluted and they are no longer stuck to the tarmac, the Officers have a duty of care to look after both of them, to avoid a complaint and possibly sued or whatever |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 9:39:51 GMT
Again, people would go along with that and we would have policing by consent if the limits set in the first place were always reasonable. yes - the speed limits were quite reasonable about 30 years ago. The one weak area was perhaps the 30mph limits in areas like busy high streets. Indeed. Speed limits can be both too high or too low. The former is likely to be the case most often outside urban areas where say a national speed limit for single carriageway roads of 60mph applies even in places - eg sharp bends - where only an absolute nutter would think of trying to go so fast. In other areas, mostly in urban centres, speed limits can be too low for the road which results in them being widely flouted. In my own opinion, speed limits of 30mph are reasonable in most built up areas with cars parked on both sides and junctions. In fact I can think of some in my locale where 20mph would make more sense. But there are other areas, particularly urban duel carriageways or main arterial roads with little in the way of junctions, parked cars, and pedestrian crossings, where 30 is too low for the road, and 40, or even 50 might be more reasonable. But perhaps we should be moving away from speed limits as such which can take no account of climatic conditions or anything variable and refocus more on actual dangerous driving. Because in effect no matter how fast you are driving, if you can do it safely where is the problem? But if you are driving so fast for the road and conditions that it constitutes dangerous driving, then you are a problem that needs to be dealt with. For example, in good conditions it would be perfectly safe to do 90 on a motorway. But if it's blizzard conditions it would be highly dangerous to exceed 30. The inherent problem here of course is subjectivity, what constitutes dangerous driving in terms of speed is open to interpretation. At least with speed limits we all know what the law is. Which of course brings us back to the need to set them at reasonable levels. |
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Post by wapentake on Apr 3, 2023 9:47:10 GMT
A police officer giving water to Just Stop Oil protester Mark Coleman, who had glued his hands to a road just off the M25 in Grays, Essex during rush hour yesterday
As much as I dislike what the Officer is doing, as those two have been arrested or will be once the glue has been diluted and they are no longer stuck to the tarmac, the Officers have a duty of care to look after both of them, to avoid a complaint and possibly sued or whatever I don’t think that offering them fluids is the problem,it’s the insinuation from RedRum that they are a different category offender to speeding motorists because he believes their cause will save millions. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 9:51:20 GMT
I was fined for 35mph in a 30 zone so in the West Midlands case it must be 10% +1. I was careless and that is the only speeding fine I have had in over 50 years driving. Having said that it is very difficult to keep to the speed limit without strict concentration on the speedo and it is the easiest thing in the world to drift upwards especially where conditions seem good. Here a list of the tolerances for different Police Forces Speed Camera settings , West Midlands withhold that information as do several other Forces www.confused.com/car-insurance/guides/s… Sticking to speed limits that are too low for the road and conditions actually requires a lot of concentration and repeatedly looking at the speedo to avoid your speed creeping up. And this is a distraction from what you should be focussing on which is the road ahead and other road users, as well as potential hazards like pedestrians waiting to cross or cyclists ahead. This is actually I am sure more dangerous than actually sticking to a sensible speed for the road. You can circumvent the need to concentrate on driving far more slowly than the road and conditions warrant to comply with an excessively slow speed limit by setting cruise control, but not everyone has it. And even if you do have it, it is one of those things that when it stops working you never get it fixed because you can make do without it and you dont need it to pass an MOT. Few of us in these ever more straitened times can afford to spend money on our cars if we don't need to. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 10:06:34 GMT
When have they been offered cups of tea, are you related to Johnson? A police officer giving water to Just Stop Oil protester Mark Coleman, who had glued his hands to a road just off the M25 in Grays, Essex during rush hour yesterday
🤣hardly a cup of tea.😂 Do you think people who break the law, as this person surely is, should be denied basic rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 10:08:16 GMT
There is no inconsistency, you should not break the law. There is the technology available that will limit a car's ability to go over the speed limit, with a little flexibility, if that were used we would have a lot of police available to catch other criminals. Again, people would go along with that and we would have policing by consent if the limits set in the first place were always reasonable. If the limits were reasonable? The limits are what they are they are not set as a cash cow for councils, if you break the speed limit you know the consequences if you are caught. |
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