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Post by Pacifico on Mar 31, 2023 10:47:28 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland.
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Post by thomas on Mar 31, 2023 11:02:11 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. ....but i was earlier disagreeing with your reasoning as to why that is.
More "calvinist " scots as you put it went to north carolina than ulster , but correct me if im wrong , im not aware of ulster sectariansim being a problem there today .
3000 years of the celtic peoples of scotland and ireland migrating between each others countires , and the only time sectariansim is a problem is the last 150 years under british rule........funny that.........
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Post by bancroft on Mar 31, 2023 11:18:02 GMT
It will be interesting if Biden goes there, will he push for unification of Ireland and say the referendums should happen in both parts? I'd hope he has the sense to keep well out of it. Might depend on whether he thinks he needs those votes of Irish Americans. |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 11:33:39 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. Which is why we never hear any complaints about Muslims on this forum. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 31, 2023 12:17:05 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. Which is why we never hear any complaints about Muslims on this forum. pacificos contention that "sectariansim " is somehow a scottish disease is of course laughable. When you consider it was the british government that set up the sectarian protestant apartheid state of northern ireland , the sectarian and human rights abuses that took place there over the century of british rule , and then they finally had to go running to the americans and europeans to help stabilise the frankenstein monster they created .
Funny how it was in all the current and past regions of the british empire where the british elite encouraged religous divisions between their opponents claim to nationhood in the countries they had colonised , from ireland to egypt and india.
Isnt england the only country in the world where still today , they have protestant clerics in one of their legislatures , and who can forget the sectarian act of settlement for the british crown.?
......but....but scotland....northern ireland bad.....
It seems the way to cure sectariansim as shown by the irish republic is independence for some reason................... 
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 31, 2023 17:09:53 GMT
You have to laugh - sectarianism is rife in Scotland and NI and apparently, according to thomas, its all the fault of the English..  |
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Post by Einhorn on Mar 31, 2023 23:56:53 GMT
I belive some of them are actually fit for active service, as long as they're not shouted at, that would be bullying. I'd love to know what NI training would c You haven't actually explained why you think the soldiers from your time in the army would be fitter for the purpose of keeping peace in NI, Red. You've often complained about who the army is admitting these days, but you've bypassed the fact that the army used to admit convicted criminals. Who do you think would be better suited to keeping the peace in Northern Ireland: a) a gay or transgender soldier; or b) a solider who is only there to avoid a three-year stretch in prison for glassing someone in a bar brawl? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 1, 2023 1:41:43 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. Sectarianism in Glasgow was worse than Belfast in the 1980's. They were blue or green, it was ingrained from childhood to hate, even in the army I remember two jocks who were initially in the same squadron, had to be separated because one was catholic, the other protestant. They didn't know one another previously, but because of their backgrounds they wanted to kill each other, I didn't understand it at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 14:35:20 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. Sectarianism in Glasgow was worse than Belfast in the 1980's. They were blue or green, it was ingrained from childhood to hate, even in the army I remember two jocks who were initially in the same squadron, had to be separated because one was catholic, the other protestant. They didn't know one another previously, but because of their backgrounds they wanted to kill each other, I didn't understand it at the time. Scotland was used by the IRA for safe houses, fundraising and gun running, which is why it was never attacked. Tony Blair (father to the ScotNats) was considered a traitor who betrayed the victims of the IRA after it became known that he was having secret meetings with Sinn Fein and Gaddafi. The English generally let most of it slide in the hope for better days. The issue I see today is the EU. It played no part in any peace process yet seem to feel entitled to directly interfere in N.I.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 14:55:37 GMT
You have to laugh - sectarianism is rife in Scotland and NI and apparently, according to thomas, its all the fault of the English.. You can't expect a ScotNat to man up and take responsibility. Even the IRA thought of them as cowards. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 1, 2023 15:26:57 GMT
You have to laugh - sectarianism is rife in Scotland and NI and apparently, according to thomas, its all the fault of the English.. Northern ireland is of course self explanatory , but what do you mean sectariansim is rife in scotland?
Sectariansim has largely been a regional problem historically of central west scotland , and today is largely nothing more than the odd boxing match when celtic play the huns at fitba.
Sectarianism was an evil designed by the westmisnter elite , to help them control the colonies in the heady days of the brit empire by divide and rule.
I dont think anyone seriously thinks the ordinary englishman or woman was to blame.
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Post by thomas on Apr 1, 2023 15:33:47 GMT
No matter how much you complain the only parts of the UK where sectarianism is an issue in NI and Scotland. Sectarianism in Glasgow was worse than Belfast in the 1980's. They were blue or green, it was ingrained from childhood to hate, even in the army I remember two jocks who were initially in the same squadron, had to be separated because one was catholic, the other protestant. They didn't know one another previously, but because of their backgrounds they wanted to kill each other, I didn't understand it at the time. Red. Im a glaswegian. I grew up in govan and paisley in the 80`s , and while there is no doubt glasgow had major problems with knife crime drugs and many other issues , to try and say sectariansim was worse in glasgow than belfast at the height of the troubles is frankly a gross exaggeration.
You must have been listening to danny dyer too much on his football factories programme waffling on abour rangers and celtic.
I mind kevin bridges the glaswegian comedian absolutely taking the piss out of dyers gross exaggeration of football hooliganism at the old firm derby day when bridges said you had wee guys and families walking past dyers camera waving and dyers shouting its all fucking kicking off here.
Come oan mate. You need to keep it real.
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Post by thomas on Apr 1, 2023 15:37:43 GMT
Sectarianism in Glasgow was worse than Belfast in the 1980's. They were blue or green, it was ingrained from childhood to hate, even in the army I remember two jocks who were initially in the same squadron, had to be separated because one was catholic, the other protestant. They didn't know one another previously, but because of their backgrounds they wanted to kill each other, I didn't understand it at the time. Scotland was used by the IRA for safe houses, fundraising and gun running, which is why it was never attacked. Tony Blair (father to the ScotNats) was considered a traitor who betrayed the victims of the IRA after it became known that he was having secret meetings with Sinn Fein and Gaddafi. The English generally let most of it slide in the hope for better days. The issue I see today is the EU. It played no part in any peace process yet seem to feel entitled to directly interfere in N.I.
Was it? Both sides of the terrorist divide used glasgow for fund raising , and of course both rangers and celtic supporters clubs used to send money to prisoners in the maze.
The IRA and other republican terror groups from memory had a rule of not attacking any of the other celtic countires .Scotland was bombed though twice by british terrorists when northern irish loyalists blew up a couple of glasgow pubs in the seventies.
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Post by thomas on Apr 1, 2023 15:40:11 GMT
You have to laugh - sectarianism is rife in Scotland and NI and apparently, according to thomas, its all the fault of the English.. You can't expect a ScotNat to man up and take responsibility. Even the IRA thought of them as cowards. I know mate. The evil of the british empire was in reality a benign force for good that civilised the world , and anything bad that happened was of course scotland and everyones elses fault. 
Are you no thinking of gerry adams jibe about scottish unionists as englishmen in denial?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 15:55:22 GMT
You're not Scotland. You're just that sectarian fascist mob that hijacked Scotland's Executive.
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