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Post by thomas on Apr 30, 2023 7:59:01 GMT
what truth? By your own inability to prove what you are saying you make yourself ridiculed?
Only a fool makes claims he cannot prove , hence why most sensible scots on the various forums i have seen you on regard you as a figure of ridicule spreading lies and fear.
What truth? The truth of what I described we would be faced with if we go it alone, obviously. you havent posted a truth. What you posted was your own ill informed wish list of what you want to see happen. I have asked repeatedly for you to back up and prove your spurious fantasy claims throughout this thread and you have repeatedly failed to do so time and again.
Talk about flogging a dead horse harder and harder.
If you want folk to take you seriously , outside of your own brit nat bubble , then you need to start backing things up happy.
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Post by thomas on Apr 30, 2023 8:07:39 GMT
Ah, quoting from the Guardian, Jaydee used to do that, look what happened to him. Trying to impress us with biased, ill judged and badly written articles from a Marxist rag like the Guardian sort of proves our point that no reputable news outlet supports your doomed and futile crusade. Fill in your potholes, feed and educate your children and you will feel much happier. What happened om ? Why didnt the forces of the empire rush in to save its citizens........
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-65395288Sudan evacuation: Family from Glasgow share story of perilous escape
“I had hope that the British were coming to save us, but after a while I gave up hope,” British national Einas Khojaly told the BBC’s Tom Bateman upon arriving in Egypt.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 30, 2023 9:49:22 GMT
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Post by thomas on Apr 30, 2023 14:55:48 GMT
The first minister sends his regards to celtic on their win today against the huns, and wishes us all the best for the treble.
meanwhile , on the eve on their kings coronation , the huns are crying into their warm beer.
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Post by happyjack on May 1, 2023 14:54:31 GMT
Yes, so what? The highlighted area does not do as you claim but your various responses demonstrate that you lack understanding of what all of this means. This thread is full of your lack of understanding of many issues , such as anguilla and zimbabwe , or GERS.
Its not.
prove scotland would be lumped with uk debt.
self evidently scotland wouldnt want to operate a gers level of budget that the british operate for us. Thats the whole fucking point of independence. Doing things our own way and making our own choices . Not having the majority of levers of our economy run by another country , while paying billions to that country for stuff like london crossrail , or hs2 , that has no benefit to our nation.
I will ignore the various playground level non-responses above and just address the final flourish that you end with. And I will quickly make the obvious point that we don’t have any of our levers pulled by another country, or pay billions to any other country for anything, including the items you refer to. As I have recently suggested, you really should try to grasp what our forefathers signed us up to when they implemented the Act of Union and then maybe you will drop all of this reality denying nonsense and boring endless whingeing. How do you know what level of budget an Indy Scotland would want to operate? If you have any information on that could you please share it. However, while that would be interesting to see, whatever level of budget it might want to operate doesn’t matter one bit, because the only level of budget that it would be able to operate is the level of budget that it could afford - and that budget, even if all of the other issues that I have listed were miraculously not to materialise, would be 25% smaller (or £23.4 billion lighter) than the notional budget we currently enjoy as part of the UK. But, of course, the other issues would materialise, and seriously drain our current level revenues, so the scale of indy Scotland’s budget would be further, and significantly further, diminished. The result of this would drive the range and quality of Scotland’s public services into the ground and render them unrecognisable from those that we currently enjoy, seriously harming the character of Scottish society and bringing deep despair and misery to our most vulnerable. Is that really “the whole fucking point of independence” that you desperately advocate? |
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 15:05:55 GMT
This thread is full of your lack of understanding of many issues , such as anguilla and zimbabwe , or GERS.
Its not.
prove scotland would be lumped with uk debt.
self evidently scotland wouldnt want to operate a gers level of budget that the british operate for us. Thats the whole fucking point of independence. Doing things our own way and making our own choices . Not having the majority of levers of our economy run by another country , while paying billions to that country for stuff like london crossrail , or hs2 , that has no benefit to our nation.
I will ignore the various playground level non-responses above and just address the final flourish that you end with. And I will quickly make the obvious point that we don’t have any of our levers pulled by another country, i got as far as this sentence before bursting out laughing.
Are you now denying the majority of levers to control our economy and majority of powers an indy country should have are reserved to another nations de facto parliament?
Are there no depths of utter delusion you wont stoop to happy?
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 15:07:21 GMT
This thread is full of your lack of understanding of many issues , such as anguilla and zimbabwe , or GERS.
Its not.
prove scotland would be lumped with uk debt.
self evidently scotland wouldnt want to operate a gers level of budget that the british operate for us. Thats the whole fucking point of independence. Doing things our own way and making our own choices . Not having the majority of levers of our economy run by another country , while paying billions to that country for stuff like london crossrail , or hs2 , that has no benefit to our nation.
How do you know what level of budget an Indy Scotland would want to operate? i dont and neither do you which is my point. Im not making spurious fantasy unprovable economic claims in most of my posts. You are , and this is why you are laughed at repeatedly. |
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Post by happyjack on May 1, 2023 16:00:22 GMT
What truth? The truth of what I described we would be faced with if we go it alone, obviously. you havent posted a truth. What you posted was your own ill informed wish list of what you want to see happen. I have asked repeatedly for you to back up and prove your spurious fantasy claims throughout this thread and you have repeatedly failed to do so time and again.
Talk about flogging a dead horse harder and harder.
If you want folk to take you seriously , outside of your own brit nat bubble , then you need to start backing things up happy.
And I have explained why only a fool would say “prove it” when warned that jumping off a cliff, whether an actual cliff or, in this case, the metaphorical Indy cliff, would be harmful, so I guess that fool is you. However, whether I am right or wrong doesn’t really matter here. What does matter is that, like me, most (if not all) NO voters think that independence would lead to serious and long-term economic and financial hardship and for that reason (in the majority of cases probably solely for that reason) that is why we would vote NO rather than YES in an Indyref. As things stand, there is no credible route to independence in play or likely to come into play for as far as the eye can see. The UK government gave us a referendum recently, we voted NO, and that is the matter put to bed as far as they are concerned. You might not like that, or think that it is fair, but that’s how it is, be it a Tory or a future Labour Government. And, following the Supreme Court ruling last year and the non-starter “de facto” referendum initiative, the Indy movement appears to have run out of easy options to change this scenario. The power all lies with the UK government and the UK government is not going to budge while it holds that power. The only route left for delivering independence therefore is to take that power away from the UK government and put it into the hands of the Scottish people, and the only way to do that is to win over a big chunk of NO voters into the YES camp, of such a scale and for such a duration that the UK government can no longer resist. I think it would take a level of support for independence at, or above, 60% for a minimum of 5 years, but probably closer to 10 years, to achieve this, so that is quite a challenge for you and your fellow Indy supporters, but there it is. It is either that or put your Indy aspirations away into the bottom drawer and get on with making the most of life in the UK. Given that economic and financial concerns dominate the thinking of NO voters, then, barring some massive and completely unforeseeable event falling out of the sky that brings about a game-changing shift in attitudes, the only way that a meaningful volume of NO voters will be persuaded to switch over to YES is if you can convince them that their concerns over the economic and financial implications of independence are unfounded. So far, there is nothing that you have said on here, or that anyone has said out there, that even starts to do that, and doing more of the sort of thing that you have been doing on here is never going to win anyone over. You need to produce a robust plan, designed to avoid deep and long-term economic and financial hardship, that will stand up to scrutiny from Indy-sceptics, if you want to move the dial into YES territory and change Scotland’s pathway going forward - so where is it? |
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Post by happyjack on May 1, 2023 16:05:42 GMT
I will ignore the various playground level non-responses above and just address the final flourish that you end with. And I will quickly make the obvious point that we don’t have any of our levers pulled by another country, i got as far as this sentence before bursting out laughing.
Are you now denying the majority of levers to control our economy and majority of powers an indy country should have are reserved to another nations de facto parliament?
Are there no depths of utter delusion you wont stoop to happy?
No, I am stating clearly that what you said in your previous post is untrue ie. we are not having our levers pulled by another country. Our levers are all pulled by either Westminster or Holyrood, both of which are part of our country. |
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Post by happyjack on May 1, 2023 16:20:01 GMT
How do you know what level of budget an Indy Scotland would want to operate? i dont and neither do you which is my point. Im not making spurious fantasy unprovable economic claims in most of my posts. You are , and this is why you are laughed at repeatedly. No, I don’t, but I do know that it will have to be 25% smaller just to cope with us no longer enjoying being propped up by Westminster, and I know that, in effect, it will have to be considerably smaller than even that catastrophically low level to absorb the ramifications of all of the other items that I listed and the negative knock on effects that would result from them - so I know the territory the budget would be in and I have some idea of the devastation that would bring. BTW - if you don’t think that you are making “spurious fantasy unprovable economic claims” then you have a problem. |
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 19:31:32 GMT
i got as far as this sentence before bursting out laughing.
Are you now denying the majority of levers to control our economy and majority of powers an indy country should have are reserved to another nations de facto parliament?
Are there no depths of utter delusion you wont stoop to happy?
No, I am stating clearly that what you said in your previous post is untrue ie. we are not having our levers pulled by another country. Our levers are all pulled by either Westminster or Holyrood, both of which are part of our country. Westmisnter is the de facto parliament of england , with 82 % of the seats english seats , and those seats that scots dont vote for or politicians we dont elect control the majority of levers of power over our country including the economy. |
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 19:32:37 GMT
i dont and neither do you which is my point. Im not making spurious fantasy unprovable economic claims in most of my posts. You are , and this is why you are laughed at repeatedly. No, I don’t, but I do know that it will have to be 25% smaller just to cope with us no longer enjoying being propped up by Westminster, You tell us you agree you dont know , then once again move on and make another unfounded economic claim.
I repeat again . Prove it .
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Post by happyjack on May 1, 2023 19:43:32 GMT
The “prove it” fool strikes again.
You need to start learning how to read and understand. I agreed that neither of us know what level it would be at but I said that I know what territory ( that level) would be in and I explained why.
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 19:46:28 GMT
The “prove it” fool strikes again. You need to start learning how to read and understand. I agreed that neither of us know what level it would be at but I said that I know what territory ( that level) would be in and I explained why. oh dear. You seem upset ive asked you numerous times to back up what you are saying.
Its common forum etiquette hen. You make a claim. You back it up. or you get laughed at as another forum bullshitter.
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Post by thomas on May 1, 2023 19:47:04 GMT
but I said that I know what territory ( that level) would be in and I explained why. Then .Prove.It. |
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