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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 14:55:05 GMT
prove that there is going to be a deep and damaging economic and financial hardship if we end the uk? I just did by listing some of the challenges that we would face that would bring deep and damaging economic and financial hardship and by you being unable to provide a plan to address that. no , you havent proved anything. Anyone can make up lies without proof and predict all sorts of hardships to suit their poor case for retaining their union.
No other country has faced any economic problems with indy that big it needed to return to brit control.
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 14:56:05 GMT
prove that there is going to be a deep and damaging economic and financial hardship if we end the uk? I just did by listing some of the challenges that we would face that would bring deep and damaging economic and financial hardship and by you being unable to provide a plan to address that.  |
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 14:58:36 GMT
prove we would have revenues 25 % below the current cost of our standard of living? Just Google the latest GERS report, Thomas. I’m giving you one less thing to think about: you can now happily ignore all the financial arguments for a separate Scotland on the basis that no one knows what they actually are.
James Ferguson of The MacroStrategy Partnership
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:00:34 GMT
The sources we’ve quoted above cover Unionist and pro-independent voices, the left and right of the political spectrum, and across the full breadth of academia, media, big business and individual expertise. Every one of them reaches the exact same blunt and unambiguous conclusion – GERS is absolutely meaningless as a guide to the finances of an independent Scotland.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 29, 2023 15:00:50 GMT
Just Google the latest GERS report, Thomas. prove that gers is a reliable estimate for the finances of an indy scotland.?
Heres what merryn somerset webb said famously about gers...
all the numbers everyone uses to make the financial argument are no more than rough guesses” and that readers could “ignore all the financial arguments for a separate Scotland on the basis that no-one knows what they actually are”.
They are not a reliable estimate of an Indy Scotland. They look at where we are not at what might or might not happen. However, they do tell us what our starting point would be if we were to go it alone right now, and the underlying scale of the public sector deficit that we would be faced with. So we would either have to reduce our public services by £23 billion per annum or raise another £23 billion per annum of revenue to stand still ( or a combination of the two, obviously) |
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:02:20 GMT
prove that gers is a reliable estimate for the finances of an indy scotland.?
Heres what merryn somerset webb said famously about gers...
all the numbers everyone uses to make the financial argument are no more than rough guesses” and that readers could “ignore all the financial arguments for a separate Scotland on the basis that no-one knows what they actually are”.
They are not a reliable estimate of an Indy Scotland. good glad you agree that no one knows the finances of an indy scotland , you cant prove it will be a disaster , so we can then completely dismiss your posts as nothing more than made up nonsense. |
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Post by happyjack on Apr 29, 2023 15:02:34 GMT
Good, then question answered. what like the question i asked about your proving your empty porkie pie statements of fire flood and armageddon? You have nothing happy as ever! All that I have listed are certainties if we ever go it alone. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:04:20 GMT
what like the question i asked about your proving your empty porkie pie statements of fire flood and armageddon? You have nothing happy as ever! All that I have listed are certainties if we ever go it alone. if they are certainties then you will have no problem proving it? over to you? |
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:04:42 GMT
prove that gers is a reliable estimate for the finances of an indy scotland.?
Heres what merryn somerset webb said famously about gers...
all the numbers everyone uses to make the financial argument are no more than rough guesses” and that readers could “ignore all the financial arguments for a separate Scotland on the basis that no-one knows what they actually are”.
They are not a reliable estimate of an Indy Scotland. They look at where we are not at what might or might not happen. However, they do tell us what our starting point would be if we were to go it alone right now, and the underlying scale of the public sector deficit that we would be faced with. So we would either have to reduce our public services by £23 billion per annum or raise another £23 billion per annum of revenue to stand still ( or a combination of the two, obviously) 
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited is a multinational professional services firm based in New York. It’s one of the “Big Four” accounting firms and the largest such network in the world by revenue and number of clients, providing audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services to more than 244,400 professionals globally. This is what it said regarding the gers "estimates"
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Post by happyjack on Apr 29, 2023 15:10:07 GMT
They are not a reliable estimate of an Indy Scotland. good glad you agree that no one knows the finances of an indy scotland , you cant prove it will be a disaster , so we can then completely dismiss your posts as nothing more than made up nonsense. You can do that if you like but it doesn’t in any way diminish the truth in what I say or inevitability of these challenges arising in the event of Scottish independence. All it does is further damage your credibility on this matter, but that was pretty non-existent anyway. If the school playground level of response is the best that you have to offer here, Thomas, then it is time to draw a line under this. |
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Post by happyjack on Apr 29, 2023 15:12:52 GMT
They are not a reliable estimate of an Indy Scotland. They look at where we are not at what might or might not happen. However, they do tell us what our starting point would be if we were to go it alone right now, and the underlying scale of the public sector deficit that we would be faced with. So we would either have to reduce our public services by £23 billion per annum or raise another £23 billion per annum of revenue to stand still ( or a combination of the two, obviously)
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited is a multinational professional services firm based in New York. It’s one of the “Big Four” accounting firms and the largest such network in the world by revenue and number of clients, providing audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services to more than 244,400 professionals globally. This is what it said regarding the gers "estimates"
Yes, I know this, and don’t dispute that it was accurate at the time and that some of it still applies now, but so what? |
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:35:40 GMT
good glad you agree that no one knows the finances of an indy scotland , you cant prove it will be a disaster , so we can then completely dismiss your posts as nothing more than made up nonsense. You can do that if you like but it doesn’t in any way diminish the truth in what I say or inevitability of these challenges arising in the event of Scottish independence. All it does is further damage your credibility on this matter, but that was pretty non-existent anyway. If the school playground level of response is the best that you have to offer here, Thomas, then it is time to draw a line under this. what truth? By your own inability to prove what you are saying you make yourself ridiculed?
Only a fool makes claims he cannot prove , hence why most sensible scots on the various forums i have seen you on regard you as a figure of ridicule spreading lies and fear.
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:39:29 GMT
Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited is a multinational professional services firm based in New York. It’s one of the “Big Four” accounting firms and the largest such network in the world by revenue and number of clients, providing audit, tax, consulting, enterprise risk and financial advisory services to more than 244,400 professionals globally. This is what it said regarding the gers "estimates"
Yes, I know this, and don’t dispute that it was accurate at the time and that some of it still applies now, but so what? so what? The highlighted area sort of rubbishes your claims of how gers is a reliable indicator for the finances of an indy scotland and how we would have revenues 25 % below what we currently have to maintain our current standard of living.
You make countless spurious unprovable claims , those claims are repeatedly rubbished , and you then say so what?
Its kinda like having your legs cut off at the knee , and being unable to stand and then saying so what! 
You are a figure of complete ridicule of whom only those who share your rabid british nationalism take seriously.
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:41:59 GMT
good glad you agree that no one knows the finances of an indy scotland , you cant prove it will be a disaster , so we can then completely dismiss your posts as nothing more than made up nonsense. You can do that if you like but it doesn’t in any way diminish the truth in what I say or inevitability of these challenges arising in the event of Scottish independence. All it does is further damage your credibility on this matter, but that was pretty non-existent anyway. If the school playground level of response is the best that you have to offer here, Thomas, then it is time to draw a line under this. even the cuthberts , whom from memory you at one time held in a bit of regard , say gers is not an indicator of an indy scotlands finances.
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Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:46:30 GMT
heres another quick recap on what ive previously said to you regarding GERS on other forums , and how they are nothing more than cooked books designed deliberately to show scotland in a bad light as admitted by the tory secretary of state ian lang a long time ago...
– GERS was first established in 1992 by the Conservative Secretary of State for Scotland, Ian Lang. He envisaged it explicitly as a political tool, rather than a serious set of accounts.
– In 1999, as part of the delivery of a Scottish Parliament, GERS was enshrined as the primary tool for identifying income and expenditure relating to Scotland.
– the effort to ascribe an accurate share of UK expenditure to Scotland between 1999 and 2007 was at best farcically incompetent and at worst a deliberately disingenuous effort to cook the books and load Scotland’s balance sheet with “costs” it didn’t incur, and credit the UK government with expenditure in Scotland that was never actually spent there.
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