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Stage 2.
Mar 28, 2023 16:48:17 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 28, 2023 16:48:17 GMT
I refer you to Michael Gove's interview with Sophie Ridge last Sunday. To be honest there has to be, otherwise you are saying that there can be no asylum seekers. The question is how and where to do it.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 16:49:23 GMT
Of course it did but the ex remainers should start to rephrase and reframe their argument about whether the UK leaving the EU has or will potentially result in a positive outcome. Repeatedly claiming that Brexit was a failure is like repeatedly claiming that the winner of the race actually lost it. What we should be addressing is whether the medal that they won was worth the race . Not enough time has passed to make a valid conclusion. We already have a PM who is taking us in a different route regarding the EU than the previous two PMs. As I posted 'as you sow so shall you reap' and so far the bottom line is not looking good. Why? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 16:51:26 GMT
In theory any department head has full power and influence over their subordinates. In practise the people who work under a manager can very easily undermine them if there is a collective will to do so. The media ( including social media), civil servants , the judiciary, Educators and even the police and military have limited power and influence over a government which increases significantly the more coordinated it becomes. ? ? Sigh…the people in charge can be undermined .🙄 |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:54:12 GMT
As I posted 'as you sow so shall you reap' and so far the bottom line is not looking good. Why? Why what? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 16:56:38 GMT
Why is the bottom line not looking good? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 16:57:28 GMT
Sigh…the people in charge can be undermined .🙄 "Can be" but where does that come into Brexit? Who are and who can undermine to the point of actually stopping the government on Brexit. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 16:58:41 GMT
Tory revolt disintegrates as Rishi Sunak given final warning on migrant crisis Rishi Sunak managed to avoid the biggest Commons rebellion of his premiership last night, as he pledged to hold talks with Tory backbenchers frustrated by his Illegal Migration Bill. Immigration minister Robert Jenrick said he would “engage closely” with Tory colleagues to ensure the final Bill “meets the requirements of all on our side of the House”. A number of Conservative MPs had expressed their concerns that the new legislation did not go far enough to block the involvement of the European Court of Human Rights when dealing with asylum claims. Some had even called on ministers to take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) completely to drive through tighter border controls and prevent them being stifled by the courts.
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 17:00:42 GMT
Why is the bottom line not looking good? The OBR have pointed out that the UK productivity has been reduced by 4% by Brexit. That is going in the opposite direction to which Brexit is supposing to be taking us in. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 17:02:30 GMT
Sigh…the people in charge can be undermined .🙄 "Can be" but where does that come into Brexit? Who are and who can undermine to the point of actually stopping the government on Brexit. Well they can’t stop Brexit because it has already happened but they can influence both government decisions and how swiftly or not they are carried out . |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 17:08:34 GMT
Why is the bottom line not looking good? The OBR have pointed out that the UK productivity has been reduced by 4% by Brexit. That is going in the opposite direction to which Brexit is supposing to be taking us in. The OBR is the final arbiter of how well we are doing in the brexit aftermath? It’s known for its unfailing accuracy? Wages seem to be rising and there seems to be a realisation that we need to have more vocational training in the UK. Isn’t that a positive outcome? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 17:10:10 GMT
I refer you to Michael Gove's interview with Sophie Ridge last Sunday. To be honest there has to be, otherwise you are saying that there can be no asylum seekers. The question is how and where to do it. The problem with illegals is the fact that those in genuine need of asylum are being put at risk... |
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Stage 2.
Mar 28, 2023 17:11:55 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 28, 2023 17:11:55 GMT
Which asylum seekers are not coming in illegally? 🤔
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 17:14:30 GMT
Which asylum seekers are not coming in illegally? 🤔 You tell me? Your arguement is counter productive to the genuin cases cause. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 17:17:39 GMT
The government is trying to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants coming into the UK and the lefties are trying to stop them.
Everything else is a charade .
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 17:25:20 GMT
Which asylum seekers are not coming in illegally? 🤔 Why would you expect or need this? We aren't the neighbour of unstable countries from which people need to flee across our border I have mentioned this before, but it can stand repeating. The objective of asylum is to allow people to flee danger, not get them into the UK |
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