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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 11:31:52 GMT
So far we are still out of the EU and with no medium term prospect of ever going back in. Brexit is a spectacular success in those terms . In very very basic terms, yes. But Brexit is about a lot more than than just leaving. I agree. It's about making laws preventing Remnants attempting to thwart our every move. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 11:43:04 GMT
So far we are still out of the EU and with no medium term prospect of ever going back in. Brexit is a spectacular success in those terms . In very very basic terms, yes. But Brexit is about a lot more than than just leaving. In actual terms . To say Brexit is a lot more than just leaving is being deliberately misleading . It is not . We can’t judge whether the act of leaving the EU was beneficial to the UK until enough time has passed to make a reasonable judgement. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 11:45:29 GMT
Rishi Sunak tells Cabinet that Channel boats crisis is 'not sustainable' and vows more action after Tories warn he will 'pay a heavy price' at the next election unless Bill is toughened up There should be NO exemptions for children if they are brought to our shores illegaly.......Unless the entire UK gets dementia, the liberal conservatives are finished . - but delay threatened revolt Rishi Sunak told Cabinet today that the Channel boats crisis is 'not sustainable' after Tories warned he will 'pay a heavy price' at the next election unless legislation is toughened up. The PM and his top team took stock of the situation in No10 after ministers won some breathing space by promising to consider proposals for tightening the controversial legislation. However, Mr Sunak is still facing a pincer between backbenchers who want to bolster the rules and block European judges from meddling - and those who are demanding more safe routes and exemptions for children. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11910343/Tories-warn-PM-heavy-price-election-unless-Channel-boats-plan-tougher.html |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 28, 2023 11:46:45 GMT
In very very basic terms, yes. But Brexit is about a lot more than than just leaving. I agree. It's about making laws preventing Remnants attempting to thwart our every move. Maybe but IF the ex remainers prevail and the end result is the UK rejoining the EU then we might conclude that we shouldn’t of left it in the first place . Everything is up for grabs in the next decade or two. Imo it’s way too early to make a statement either way and expect to be taken seriously. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 28, 2023 12:23:31 GMT
Labour can't win the argument on this one, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, their hands are tied because they'd love to say we will welcome migrants illegal or not, but they know that wont be a vote winner for the center voters who they want to attract, and they can't say they are going stop illegal migrants because that's not a vote winner for the harden lefties.
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Mar 28, 2023 13:09:49 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 28, 2023 13:09:49 GMT
Labour can't win the argument on this one, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, their hands are tied because they'd love to say we will welcome migrants illegal or not, but they know that wont be a vote winner for the center voters who they want to attract, and they can't say they are going stop illegal migrants because that's not a vote winner for the harden lefties. You see everything as very black and white. Of course no one wants unlimited migration and to be fair not many people would want to prevent migration all together. The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 28, 2023 13:27:56 GMT
Labour can't win the argument on this one, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, their hands are tied because they'd love to say we will welcome migrants illegal or not, but they know that wont be a vote winner for the center voters who they want to attract, and they can't say they are going stop illegal migrants because that's not a vote winner for the harden lefties. You see everything as very black and white. Of course no one wants unlimited migration and to be fair not many people would want to prevent migration all together. The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that. We already have a legal process whereby migrants can apply legally to enter and apply for a UKVI, "The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that". It's already in place, it's just being abused.
Illegals want to fast-track the process, which makes the whole thing a farce, because those wanting to enter legally feel cheated.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 13:28:48 GMT
Labour can't win the argument on this one, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, their hands are tied because they'd love to say we will welcome migrants illegal or not, but they know that wont be a vote winner for the center voters who they want to attract, and they can't say they are going stop illegal migrants because that's not a vote winner for the harden lefties. You see everything as very black and white. Of course no one wants unlimited migration and to be fair not many people would want to prevent migration all together. The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that. And lanours policies on that are what exactly? |
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Mar 28, 2023 13:54:37 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 28, 2023 13:54:37 GMT
We already have a legal process whereby migrants can apply legally to enter and apply for a UKVI, "The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that". It's already in place, it's just being abused. Illegals want to fast-track the process, which makes the whole thing a farce, because those wanting to enter legally feel cheated. That's not quite correct. Our current law allows those who arrive irregularly to apply for asylum. The government is proposing to change that so that you cannot apply for asylum if you arrive irregularly. Your point about UKVI is erroneous as you cannot apply for asylum from outside the UK. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 13:57:39 GMT
Labour can't win the argument on this one, they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, their hands are tied because they'd love to say we will welcome migrants illegal or not, but they know that wont be a vote winner for the center voters who they want to attract, and they can't say they are going stop illegal migrants because that's not a vote winner for the harden lefties. You see everything as very black and white. Of course no one wants unlimited migration and to be fair not many people would want to prevent migration all together. The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that. |
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Mar 28, 2023 14:00:16 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 28, 2023 14:00:16 GMT
You see everything as very black and white. Of course no one wants unlimited migration and to be fair not many people would want to prevent migration all together. The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that. And lanours policies on that are what exactly? A couple of things, firstly more investment overseas to ensure that the economic migration is less of a pull, and then to set up more safe and legal routes. But you also have to have sufficient staff to determine the asylum claims in a timely manner, so we don't get the ridiculous situation that we do at the minute with the hotels. To be fair the government have also mentioned about more safe and legal routes, but have not yet outlined what these will be. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 14:02:46 GMT
We already have a legal process whereby migrants can apply legally to enter and apply for a UKVI, "The question should be about how we decide who to come in, and having sufficient processes in place to manage that". It's already in place, it's just being abused. Illegals want to fast-track the process, which makes the whole thing a farce, because those wanting to enter legally feel cheated. That's not quite correct. Our current law allows those who arrive irregularly to apply for asylum. The government is proposing to change that so that you cannot apply for asylum if you arrive irregularly. Do you think we should be allowed to change that or indeed can we change it?Your point about UKVI is erroneous as you cannot apply for asylum from outside the UK. Do you think that should change? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 28, 2023 14:11:38 GMT
And lanours policies on that are what exactly? A couple of things, firstly more investment overseas to ensure that the economic migration is less of a pull, and then to set up more safe and legal routes. But you also have to have sufficient staff to determine the asylum claims in a timely manner, so we don't get the ridiculous situation that we do at the minute with the hotels. There's already billions of aid being sent to Africa, There's also billions being invested in Africa.To be fair the government have also mentioned about more safe and legal routes, but have not yet outlined what these will be. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 14:15:22 GMT
In summary -
"either pay tribute to our corrupt slush fund or lose your territory "
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 14:37:29 GMT
And lanours policies on that are what exactly? A couple of things, firstly more investment overseas to ensure that the economic migration is less of a pull, and then to set up more safe and legal routes. But you also have to have sufficient staff to determine the asylum claims in a timely manner, so we don't get the ridiculous situation that we do at the minute with the hotels. To be fair the government have also mentioned about more safe and legal routes, but have not yet outlined what these will be. I havent seen labour announce any of their policys yet apart from their usual Robin Hood methods. |
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