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Post by zanygame on Mar 24, 2023 19:06:27 GMT
If only that were true, but in order to persuade the people that leaving was good they had to sell the idea that leaving would lead to improvements. It is true. What isn’t true is BS that ex remainers claim ie that leavers were all in agreement that Brexit meant instant beer and skittles. The only people who believe it are the ex remainers who seem to have convinced themselves . The goal of Brexit was to leave the EU. The goal has been reached . The next step is to make it work l Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 24, 2023 19:25:12 GMT
It is true. What isn’t true is BS that ex remainers claim ie that leavers were all in agreement that Brexit meant instant beer and skittles. The only people who believe it are the ex remainers who seem to have convinced themselves . The goal of Brexit was to leave the EU. The goal has been reached . The next step is to make it work l Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Nope. There were endless claims of so called project fear peddled by remainers at the time too. As I said, we are only a couple of years into Brexit . We are at the end of the beginning of Brexit. We have cut immigration . If we haven’t why are lefties like you whining that we don’t have enough migrants to pick crops and run the NHS? This is just ex remainers regurgitating the same old bullshit so many times that they have convinced themselves . What we actually have is rising wages and the urgent need for more UK vocational training. That alone is a win. By the way , where did the lorry driver crisis go? Didn't the ex remainers tell us we are all doomed to endure empty surpermarket shelves and logistical Armageddon because we left the EU? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 24, 2023 19:37:04 GMT
When has a politician ever sold something without claiming that there would be improvements? So you agree with me. Leaving wasn't just leaving. Probably not but both Cameron and Miliband, which means the Tories and Labour both ran on platforms specifically saying that our membership of the EU was not working in our best interests. Cameron wanted a renegotiation and a referendum, Miliband wanted reform from within, but they all agreed our membership was not working. So it was about improvement, however like renegotiation any improvement is not an immediate effect. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 24, 2023 22:13:21 GMT
When has a politician ever sold something without claiming that there would be improvements? So you agree with me. Leaving wasn't just leaving. I'm struggling to see what it could otherwise be. Even those in favour of leaving had in mind a range of different future relationships - so the idea that just because we have not got your desired relationship we have not left the EU is really only whinging by another name. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 24, 2023 22:15:10 GMT
It is true. What isn’t true is BS that ex remainers claim ie that leavers were all in agreement that Brexit meant instant beer and skittles. The only people who believe it are the ex remainers who seem to have convinced themselves . The goal of Brexit was to leave the EU. The goal has been reached . The next step is to make it work l Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. We are free to do all those things - that the present government chooses not to do those things is a decision for them that will be judged by the people at the next election. At least now, for the first time in 4 decades, the people get a choice. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 25, 2023 3:32:34 GMT
We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. As you know, over 50% of the electorate who bothered to vote in the 2016 referendum voted to leave. Within two hours of the hardline remain campaigner Dimbleby staring through a mouth full of sucked lemons that the results were in and Britain was leaving the EU (broadcast at two minutes past six the day after the polls closed) David Lammy chose to speak for the Labour Party on live TV and stated that in fact the referendum was merely advisory, had no legal standing and could be ignored. Cameron had five minutes earlier made his declaration that amounted to ‘fuck this, i’m off’ washing his hands of the commitment he made and confirmed not ten hours earlier that he would be in Brussels tge very next day delivering our decision in person. So you’ll understand why i consider your words utter bollox. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 25, 2023 3:45:28 GMT
We would never rejoin without the consent of the people. So your "against their will" is an irrelevancy. I notice you didn't actually comment on the poll itself. I thought it was interesting. As you know, over 50% of the electorate who bothered to vote in the 2016 referendum voted to leave. Within two hours of the hardline remain campaigner Dimbleby staring through a mouth full of sucked lemons that the results were in and Britain was leaving the EU (broadcast at two minutes past six the day after the polls closed) David Lammy chose to speak for the Labour Party on live TV and stated that in fact the referendum was merely advisory, had no legal standing and could be ignored. Cameron had five minutes earlier made his declaration that amounted to ‘fuck this, i’m off’ washing his hands of the commitment he made and confirmed not ten hours earlier that he would be in Brussels tge very next day delivering our decision in person. So you’ll understand why i consider your words utter bollox. John of Gwent. In my opinion you should be driven in an official limousine, to Buck house, and knighted. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 25, 2023 3:51:52 GMT
It is true. What isn’t true is BS that ex remainers claim ie that leavers were all in agreement that Brexit meant instant beer and skittles. The only people who believe it are the ex remainers who seem to have convinced themselves . The goal of Brexit was to leave the EU. The goal has been reached . The next step is to make it work l Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 6:23:11 GMT
Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. What really pisses these remants off is the fact there were not enough total braindead fucking idiots who wanted to be controlled by a dictatorship made up of third rate failures in Brussels. Note how all these so called celebrities etc who were going to leave the UK if we left the EUSSR are still here in the UK and still bleating and whingind and are still going their level best to put the mockers on any success that the UK has or about to have since Brexit.....But they won't be here for ever and the sooner they have gone toes up the better it will be for all. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 25, 2023 8:47:26 GMT
Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. All we have to do is leave and all will be sunshine and calm seas, that was the silly message Levers were selling to the public in 2016. Experience shows they didn't have a clue, and IMO still don't. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 8:49:06 GMT
Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. We are free to do all those things - that the present government chooses not to do those things is a decision for them that will be judged by the people at the next election. At least now, for the first time in 4 decades, the people get a choice. You are only free to do trade deals if the other side want to as well. I'm free to receive a free Rolls Royce assuming Rolls Royce what to give me one. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 8:50:11 GMT
Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. All we have to do is leave and all will be sunshine and calm seas, that was the silly message Levers were selling to the public in 2016. Experience shows they didn't have a clue, and IMO still don't. The weird thing is the evidence seems to have no effect on them, they are still saying its all out there for us to just take. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 8:53:00 GMT
Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. Well done yet again mate you have won the highest acholade from bidens tribute. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 8:58:43 GMT
Absolute bollox. I can remember the endless claims that we would be free to generate better trade deals, free of EU bureaucracy that was stifling our economy, cutting immigration. Oh those wonderful unicorns skipping lightly over the sunlight uplands. Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. So you think the promised trade deals with the States etc are just waiting on getting the EU legislation sorted. I have to admire your ability to hang onto the illusions. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 25, 2023 9:05:41 GMT
Will you get a fuckin grip man. We have 40 or 50 years of very clever EU legislation to unwind, and obviously it wont all be undone but we have only been out of the undemocratic monstrosity for five minutes. So you think the promised trade deals with the States etc are just waiting on getting the EU legislation sorted. I have to admire your ability to hang onto the illusions. you must be very naive if you think we can just kiss goodbye to the EU nice knowing you, and that's that.
As Red quite rightly pointed out we have over near 50 years of legality to sift through , it will be at least 10 years before we start to feel the real benefits of Brexit.
In the mean time the remoaners can use it for every excuse for failure in the hopes we'll have another referendum and rejoin the cesspit.
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