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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 20:38:29 GMT
You are treating half the population like crap and you wonder why they are not co-operating with what you want? Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. You are still doing it, despite being defeated - the conceit is astonishing |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 20:38:59 GMT
So could any country. Turkey was a million miles from joining the EU when Nigel Farage used that as a threat to UK citizens. Turkey and the EU were working together to facilitate Turkey's membership. I am not sure why they would do that if Turkey was a million miles away. There is also the fact Greece was very far from meeting the necessary conditions for entry into the Euro but somehow, miraculously, in teh blink of an eye was welcomed into the fold. We do not know what would have happened with Turkey and membership, what we do know is that both Turkey and the EU were working hard to enable that membership. Farage made the point that teh EU was expansionist, which it certainly was and still is. Turkey had applied for membership, so the EU was going through the process, but as I say they were less than halfway towards membership and their use of torture and other human rights abuses meant they could progress no further. Greece had no such issues, their only problem was not meeting financial requirements. Nigel lied. Or he was very ignorant. You believed him. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 20:39:52 GMT
Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. You are still doing it, despite being defeated - the conceit is astonishing No idea what you're on about. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 20:41:47 GMT
You are still doing it, despite being defeated - the conceit is astonishing No idea what you're on about. Are you into self harming? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 28, 2023 20:43:45 GMT
Turkey and the EU were working together to facilitate Turkey's membership. I am not sure why they would do that if Turkey was a million miles away. There is also the fact Greece was very far from meeting the necessary conditions for entry into the Euro but somehow, miraculously, in teh blink of an eye was welcomed into the fold. We do not know what would have happened with Turkey and membership, what we do know is that both Turkey and the EU were working hard to enable that membership. Farage made the point that teh EU was expansionist, which it certainly was and still is. Turkey had applied for membership, so the EU was going through the process, but as I say they were less than halfway towards membership and their use of torture and other human rights abuses meant they could progress no further. Greece had no such issues, their only problem was not meeting financial requirements. Nigel lied. Or he was very ignorant. You believed him. What was the specific lie Nigel told? Turkey was seeking membership, the EU was trying to facilitate that application. The point about Greece was precisely that did not meet the financial requirements but they were still allowed to join the Euro. There was no protection in rules as they could be bent as appropriate. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 20:54:37 GMT
Turkey had applied for membership, so the EU was going through the process, but as I say they were less than halfway towards membership and their use of torture and other human rights abuses meant they could progress no further. Greece had no such issues, their only problem was not meeting financial requirements. Nigel lied. Or he was very ignorant. You believed him. What was the specific lie Nigel told? Turkey was seeking membership, the EU was trying to facilitate that application. The point about Greece was precisely that did not meet the financial requirements but they were still allowed to join the Euro. There was no protection in rules as they could be bent as appropriate. The lie was that this was going to happen and Britain would suffer as a result. Greece's debt to GDP was out, but it was figured that by adopting the Euro and lower interest loans they would meet that criteria. In other words, by joining they would immediately qualify. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 28, 2023 21:14:17 GMT
You are treating half the population like crap and you wonder why they are not co-operating with what you want? Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. Even less if you ask "were we right to leave the EU" that's at 33%. When do you think the democracy supporting Brexiters will start recognise these polls. Well the only poll that matters is the one at a General Election - and at the last GE the Party's that proposed rejoining the EU got 15% support. When will you start recognising polls? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 21:16:22 GMT
Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. Even less if you ask "were we right to leave the EU" that's at 33%. When do you think the democracy supporting Brexiters will start recognise these polls. Well the only poll that matters is the one at a General Election - and at the last GE the Party's that proposed rejoining the EU got 15% support. When will you start recognising polls? The only poll that matters is the one that denies remainers a second vote. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 28, 2023 21:16:43 GMT
What was the specific lie Nigel told? Turkey was seeking membership, the EU was trying to facilitate that application. The point about Greece was precisely that did not meet the financial requirements but they were still allowed to join the Euro. There was no protection in rules as they could be bent as appropriate. The lie was that this was going to happen and Britain would suffer as a result. Greece's debt to GDP was out, but it was figured that by adopting the Euro and lower interest loans they would meet that criteria. In other words, by joining they would immediately qualify. They ignored their rules in the hopes that ignoring them would then meet them. Why could that also not apply to Turkey? You did not quote the specific lie. It was bound to happen at the time of the referendum and timescales were only guesses. Cameron supported Turkey's membership so the British people would not have had a veto on Turkey's membership and God alone knows what horsetrading would have ensued to bring others around. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 21:26:01 GMT
The lie was that this was going to happen and Britain would suffer as a result. Greece's debt to GDP was out, but it was figured that by adopting the Euro and lower interest loans they would meet that criteria. In other words, by joining they would immediately qualify. They ignored their rules in the hopes that ignoring them would then meet them. Why could that also not apply to Turkey? You did not quote the specific lie. It was bound to happen at the time of the referendum and timescales were only guesses. Cameron supported Turkey's membership so the British people would not have had a veto on Turkey's membership and God alone knows what horsetrading would have ensued to bring others around. Because Turkey was not going to fix its human rights abuses by joining. It was not bound to happen at the time of the referendum, that was the lie. Turkey had applied to join 11 years earlier and were nowhere near qualifying. If Nigel knew how to tell the truth he would have said Turkey might join in the next ten years, but probably not. Its interesting what you consider a lie. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 28, 2023 21:28:34 GMT
Well the only poll that matters is the one at a General Election - and at the last GE the Party's that proposed rejoining the EU got 15% support. When will you start recognising polls? The only poll that matters is the one that denies remainers a second vote. The remainers can have a second vote any time they like - they just have to vote in a Party willing to give them one. If you lot can't be arsed to vote don't come crying to us. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 21:40:20 GMT
The only poll that matters is the one that denies remainers a second vote. The remainers can have a second vote any time they like - they just have to vote in a Party willing to give them one. If you lot can't be arsed to vote don't come crying to us. There isn't one. We've discussed this so many times that I now know you are just happy to lie. A GE is a multi issue vote. Corbyn made voting Labour impossible and in any case he wasn't offering a referendum Boris wasn't either Lib dems were a vote wasted But then you know this, same old crap repeated. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 29, 2023 6:57:03 GMT
The remainers can have a second vote any time they like - they just have to vote in a Party willing to give them one. If you lot can't be arsed to vote don't come crying to us. There isn't one. We've discussed this so many times that I now know you are just happy to lie. A GE is a multi issue vote. Corbyn made voting Labour impossible and in any case he wasn't offering a referendum Boris wasn't either Lib dems were a vote wasted But then you know this, same old crap repeated. The LibDems have proposed overturning the Referendum result since the day after it happened - that remainers like you cannot be arsed to vote for them is your problem not mine. The only reason we had a referendum in the first place is because people started to vote for a party that represented their views - UKIP. In the end enough people voted for them that we had to allow the people a say. UKIP were successful under the same system that you are now pretending doesn't allow support for the LibDems. Your feeble excuses for refusing to vote for what you want ensure that you will only ever complain.. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 29, 2023 7:24:09 GMT
What was the specific lie Nigel told? Turkey was seeking membership, the EU was trying to facilitate that application. The point about Greece was precisely that did not meet the financial requirements but they were still allowed to join the Euro. There was no protection in rules as they could be bent as appropriate. The lie was that this was going to happen and Britain would suffer as a result. Greece's debt to GDP was out, but it was figured that by adopting the Euro and lower interest loans they would meet that criteria. In other words, by joining they would immediately qualify. Greece joining was a fiddle engineered by EU leaders and bank. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 29, 2023 7:30:24 GMT
The only poll that matters is the one that denies remainers a second vote. The remainers can have a second vote any time they like - they just have to vote in a Party willing to give them one. If you lot can't be arsed to vote don't come crying to us. They did vote, they lost, time and time again. |
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