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Post by sandypine on Mar 29, 2023 15:25:21 GMT
They ignored their rules in the hopes that ignoring them would then meet them. Why could that also not apply to Turkey? You did not quote the specific lie. It was bound to happen at the time of the referendum and timescales were only guesses. Cameron supported Turkey's membership so the British people would not have had a veto on Turkey's membership and God alone knows what horsetrading would have ensued to bring others around. Because Turkey was not going to fix its human rights abuses by joining. It was not bound to happen at the time of the referendum, that was the lie. Turkey had applied to join 11 years earlier and were nowhere near qualifying. If Nigel knew how to tell the truth he would have said Turkey might join in the next ten years, but probably not. Its interesting what you consider a lie. A lie is something that is known to be an untruth. A prediction is not a lie, it is an opinion. I have many opinions none of them are lies. Your opinion was that it was not bound to happen at the time and that probably not was the watchword, Cameron's opinion was that not any time soon but he had already said we would not veto Turkey joining. What is clear Turkey applied to join, the EU were keen for them to join, Cameron said he would not veto membership and no one knew if Turkey would meet the requirements, if they would be fast tracked in or how many of the necessary conditions would be ignored by the EU, which had been ignored before re Greece and the Euro. The EU was expansionist there is little doubt of that and gaining Turkey would have been a coup, which is my opinion. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 29, 2023 16:29:56 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Mar 29, 2023 20:00:21 GMT
Britain closes in on £9bn trade pact as deal to be struck within days in major Brexit win Story by Martyn Brown - Deputy Political Editor, Katie Harris • 4h ago
Britain is poised to sign a bumper post-Brexit trade pact with Pacific nations within days. The deal will be worth tens of billions of pounds for UK businesses.
Officials are putting the finishing touches to reach a "broad agreement" on joining the 11-nation Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
Rishi Sunak's official spokesman said ministers were due to discuss CPTPP with their counterparts this week and there would be an update at the "earliest possible opportunity".
The UK first applied to join the £9trillion bloc in early 2021 and accession is a major part of its wider post-Brexit foreign policy shift toward the Indo-Pacific.
Members include Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Japan, Chile, Vietnam and Malaysia.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 29, 2023 20:11:11 GMT
There isn't one. We've discussed this so many times that I now know you are just happy to lie. A GE is a multi issue vote. Corbyn made voting Labour impossible and in any case he wasn't offering a referendum Boris wasn't either Lib dems were a vote wasted But then you know this, same old crap repeated. The LibDems have proposed overturning the Referendum result since the day after it happened - that remainers like you cannot be arsed to vote for them is your problem not mine. The only reason we had a referendum in the first place is because people started to vote for a party that represented their views - UKIP. In the end enough people voted for them that we had to allow the people a say. UKIP were successful under the same system that you are now pretending doesn't allow support for the LibDems. Your feeble excuses for refusing to vote for what you want ensure that you will only ever complain.. I cede to your point here. Indeed no one (me included) thought that voting libdem at the GE wold give a result. But you are right we were not disaffected enough to vote on a single issue. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 29, 2023 20:12:18 GMT
The lie was that this was going to happen and Britain would suffer as a result. Greece's debt to GDP was out, but it was figured that by adopting the Euro and lower interest loans they would meet that criteria. In other words, by joining they would immediately qualify. Greece joining was a fiddle engineered by EU leaders and bank. Do you dispute my description of what happened? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 29, 2023 20:14:39 GMT
Because Turkey was not going to fix its human rights abuses by joining. It was not bound to happen at the time of the referendum, that was the lie. Turkey had applied to join 11 years earlier and were nowhere near qualifying. If Nigel knew how to tell the truth he would have said Turkey might join in the next ten years, but probably not. Its interesting what you consider a lie. A lie is something that is known to be an untruth. A prediction is not a lie, it is an opinion. I have many opinions none of them are lies. Your opinion was that it was not bound to happen at the time and that probably not was the watchword, Cameron's opinion was that not any time soon but he had already said we would not veto Turkey joining. What is clear Turkey applied to join, the EU were keen for them to join, Cameron said he would not veto membership and no one knew if Turkey would meet the requirements, if they would be fast tracked in or how many of the necessary conditions would be ignored by the EU, which had been ignored before re Greece and the Euro. The EU was expansionist there is little doubt of that and gaining Turkey would have been a coup, which is my opinion. And so the angels dance on their pin head again. You qualify his lie, not by showing it was the truth, but by saying it was possible to come true. |
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Post by borchester on Mar 29, 2023 20:40:25 GMT
You'd presume that Labour saying that Brexit is a mistake would cost them, especially in the "Red Wall" seats that they lost in 2019. However, new polling shows that even if they moved away from their current "Make Brexit Work" outlook, they would still regain the red wall AND improve polling elsewhere. consoc.org.uk/publications/red-wall-polling-2023/
My presumption is that Labour just wants Brexit to go away. The brothers and sisters have a comfortable lead in the polls and Starmer has no intention of risking that by pissing off the Brexit vote.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 30, 2023 9:11:11 GMT
Britain closes in on £9bn trade pact as deal to be struck within days in major Brexit win Story by Martyn Brown - Deputy Political Editor, Katie Harris • 4h ago
Britain is poised to sign a bumper post-Brexit trade pact with Pacific nations within days. The deal will be worth tens of billions of pounds for UK businesses.
Officials are putting the finishing touches to reach a "broad agreement" on joining the 11-nation Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
Rishi Sunak's official spokesman said ministers were due to discuss CPTPP with their counterparts this week and there would be an update at the "earliest possible opportunity".
The UK first applied to join the £9trillion bloc in early 2021 and accession is a major part of its wider post-Brexit foreign policy shift toward the Indo-Pacific.
Members include Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Japan, Chile, Vietnam and Malaysia.
This is quite interesting. The idea of a UK joining a rival trading bloc to the EU and developing a cordial relationship with the EU must make ex remainers wake up sweating in the middle of the night l |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 30, 2023 9:36:46 GMT
Britain closes in on £9bn trade pact as deal to be struck within days in major Brexit win Story by Martyn Brown - Deputy Political Editor, Katie Harris • 4h ago
Britain is poised to sign a bumper post-Brexit trade pact with Pacific nations within days. The deal will be worth tens of billions of pounds for UK businesses.
Officials are putting the finishing touches to reach a "broad agreement" on joining the 11-nation Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
Rishi Sunak's official spokesman said ministers were due to discuss CPTPP with their counterparts this week and there would be an update at the "earliest possible opportunity".
The UK first applied to join the £9trillion bloc in early 2021 and accession is a major part of its wider post-Brexit foreign policy shift toward the Indo-Pacific.
Members include Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Japan, Chile, Vietnam and Malaysia.
This is quite interesting. The idea of a UK joining a rival trading bloc to the EU and developing a cordial relationship with the EU must make ex remainers wake up sweating in the middle of the night l They will do the usual mate and try and diss the deal. They just hate to see the UK prosper. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 30, 2023 9:41:34 GMT
Britain closes in on £9bn trade pact as deal to be struck within days in major Brexit win Story by Martyn Brown - Deputy Political Editor, Katie Harris • 4h ago
Britain is poised to sign a bumper post-Brexit trade pact with Pacific nations within days. The deal will be worth tens of billions of pounds for UK businesses.
Officials are putting the finishing touches to reach a "broad agreement" on joining the 11-nation Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).
Rishi Sunak's official spokesman said ministers were due to discuss CPTPP with their counterparts this week and there would be an update at the "earliest possible opportunity".
The UK first applied to join the £9trillion bloc in early 2021 and accession is a major part of its wider post-Brexit foreign policy shift toward the Indo-Pacific.
Members include Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Japan, Chile, Vietnam and Malaysia.
This is quite interesting. The idea of a UK joining a rival trading bloc to the EU and developing a cordial relationship with the EU must make ex remainers wake up sweating in the middle of the night l The remainers want Brexit to fail miserably, that's the mentality of them because they couldn't have their own way, in fact it was pretty much the mentality of the EU even when we were members. EU motto.... "It is not enough that I succeed, everyone else must fail." |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 30, 2023 9:49:44 GMT
Ex remainers are pretty much irrelevant now. All they are is an echo of the past , desperate to frame post Brexit UK as a total failure.
If we join the CPTPP they will become extinct ..like the Dodo.
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 30, 2023 9:56:04 GMT
They will do the usual mate and try and diss the deal. They just hate to see the UK prosper. Won't we have to see the UK prosper before we know whether that's true or not? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 30, 2023 10:02:28 GMT
They will do the usual mate and try and diss the deal. They just hate to see the UK prosper. Won't we have to see the UK prosper before we know whether that's true or not? The UK is prospering but you can't see it. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 30, 2023 13:04:57 GMT
Evidence please?
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Post by jonksy on Mar 30, 2023 13:21:28 GMT
You have had enough...Maybe you would like to post some showing the EUSSR are doing better than the UK. |
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