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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 27, 2023 23:09:11 GMT
“ Should Labour say Brexit a Mistake?”
…. Should the British Public vote for a Party that sat on the fence for 8 years … and did absolutely NOTHING to support the wishes of a Majority vote of this Country?
… in every corner of this Country …. Labour was absent from leading the charge towards rapid fast track Brexit business/administrative Transition, tightening border security and securing new markets abroad as the EU shut it’s borders to trading with us.
8 years sitting idling in a lay-by.
We’ll never forget that.
Just vote for Party’s and Candidates loyal to Britons interests … not European/Globalist’s wealth generation.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 6:12:12 GMT
Nigel Farage the founder of UKIP. The party that forced the referendum. By persuading the public the EU was undemocratic and we could do better without them. Is your memory really that short. Some things do not change. If you look carefully at the poster he is standing in front of in 2016 and the group of 'refugees' consists almost entirely of young men. If this is a group of refugees fleeing from danger to a place of safety where are the women, the babes in arms, the elderly. Contrast that with any group of refugees in Europe in WW2 and it is almost wholly, women, babes in arms and the elderly; the men folk are facing the danger the refugees are fleeing from. This makes a nonsense of the whole situation and has been so for the best part of a decade. The contrast was made as regards lines of Jewish refugees arriving in Germany but they were families on the move. If you stopped focusing on refugees you might have known the claim was that the column of people represented those coming to the UK under FoM when Turkey joined the EU. It was another lie of course. Turkey was never going to join the EU. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 6:19:18 GMT
It wasn't a lie
Turkey was being lined up for membership. I would imagine the coupe attempt set things back.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 6:39:24 GMT
It wasn't a lie Turkey was being lined up for membership. I would imagine the coupe attempt set things back. It was a lie. Turkey was nowhere near qualifying for membership. They first applied for full membership in 2005. 11 years later in 2016 when Nigel told his lie. Only 16 chapters out of the 35 necessary had been qualified. Nigel didn't tell you Brexiters that did he. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 6:54:52 GMT
It wasn't a lie Turkey was being lined up for membership. I would imagine the coupe attempt set things back. It was a lie. Turkey was nowhere near qualifying for membership. They first applied for full membership in 2005. 11 years later in 2016 when Nigel told his lie. Only 16 chapters out of the 35 necessary had been qualified. Nigel didn't tell you Brexiters that did he. It wasn't remotely a lie. In fact, I recall arguing fiercely with many EU advocates over the propriety of such membership. Your chapters thing is guff - the EU rarely sticks to its own rules unless it is to target a member and Nigel merely stated that it was the intention of the EU to move towards Turkey's membership - which it was |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 7:34:37 GMT
It was a lie. Turkey was nowhere near qualifying for membership. They first applied for full membership in 2005. 11 years later in 2016 when Nigel told his lie. Only 16 chapters out of the 35 necessary had been qualified. Nigel didn't tell you Brexiters that did he. It wasn't remotely a lie. In fact, I recall arguing fiercely with many EU advocates over the propriety of such membership. Your chapters thing is guff - the EU rarely sticks to its own rules unless it is to target a member and Nigel merely stated that it was the intention of the EU to move towards Turkey's membership - which it was That sounds typical of the vote to leave nonsense ^^^ |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 7:45:38 GMT
It wasn't remotely a lie. In fact, I recall arguing fiercely with many EU advocates over the propriety of such membership. Your chapters thing is guff - the EU rarely sticks to its own rules unless it is to target a member and Nigel merely stated that it was the intention of the EU to move towards Turkey's membership - which it was That sounds typical of the vote to leave nonsense ^^^ In that it was true? The pro EU team were very cack-handed and seemed to care far more about feeling superior to pro Brexit people, than being persuasive. People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain - the media dismissively painted half the population as idiots. This abusive flex is ongoing btw - to many who are pro EU, the important bit is showing these upstarts who is boss. The Tories could have probably put Brexit to bed simply by controlling immigration - apparently, that was (for some reason) too high a price to pay? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 28, 2023 7:58:42 GMT
That sounds typical of the vote to leave nonsense ^^^ The pro EU team with very cack-handed and seemed to care far more about feeling superior to pro Brexit people, than being persuasive. People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain - the media dismissively painted half the population as idiots. This abusive flex is ongoing btw - to many who are pro EU, the important bit is showing these upstarts who is boss. What pro-EU team? "People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain" --- Exactly, the fact that the country was in a mess economical, politically and had so many underlying weaknesses were completely ignored by those arguing for Brexit, if anything these problems were insidiously and dishonestly used as a reason for Brexit. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 28, 2023 8:05:02 GMT
It was a lie. Turkey was nowhere near qualifying for membership. They first applied for full membership in 2005. 11 years later in 2016 when Nigel told his lie. Only 16 chapters out of the 35 necessary had been qualified. Nigel didn't tell you Brexiters that did he. It wasn't remotely a lie. In fact, I recall arguing fiercely with many EU advocates over the propriety of such membership. Your chapters thing is guff - the EU rarely sticks to its own rules unless it is to target a member and Nigel merely stated that it was the intention of the EU to move towards Turkey's membership - which it was If that was true Turkey would have been a member for over 5 years now. It's more like it's 500 years away from joining |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 8:13:40 GMT
It wasn't remotely a lie. In fact, I recall arguing fiercely with many EU advocates over the propriety of such membership. Your chapters thing is guff - the EU rarely sticks to its own rules unless it is to target a member and Nigel merely stated that it was the intention of the EU to move towards Turkey's membership - which it was If that was true Turkey would have been a member for over 5 years now. No. Turkey could have been lined up for membership and not become a member. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 8:15:29 GMT
The pro EU team with very cack-handed and seemed to care far more about feeling superior to pro Brexit people, than being persuasive. People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain - the media dismissively painted half the population as idiots. This abusive flex is ongoing btw - to many who are pro EU, the important bit is showing these upstarts who is boss. What pro-EU team? "People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain" --- Exactly, the fact that the country was in a mess economical, politically and had so many underlying weaknesses were completely ignored by those arguing for Brexit, if anything these problems were insidiously and dishonestly used as a reason for Brexit. You are treating half the population like crap and you wonder why they are not co-operating with what you want? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 19:47:19 GMT
If that was true Turkey would have been a member for over 5 years now. No. Turkey could have been lined up for membership and not become a member. So could any country. Turkey was a million miles from joining the EU when Nigel Farage used that as a threat to UK citizens. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 28, 2023 19:52:11 GMT
What pro-EU team? "People's genuine concerns were treated with total disdain" --- Exactly, the fact that the country was in a mess economical, politically and had so many underlying weaknesses were completely ignored by those arguing for Brexit, if anything these problems were insidiously and dishonestly used as a reason for Brexit. You are treating half the population like crap and you wonder why they are not co-operating with what you want? Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. Even less if you ask "were we right to leave the EU" that's at 33%. When do you think the democracy supporting Brexiters will start recognise these polls. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 28, 2023 20:25:08 GMT
No. Turkey could have been lined up for membership and not become a member. So could any country. Turkey was a million miles from joining the EU when Nigel Farage used that as a threat to UK citizens. Turkey and the EU were working together to facilitate Turkey's membership. I am not sure why they would do that if Turkey was a million miles away. There is also the fact Greece was very far from meeting the necessary conditions for entry into the Euro but somehow, miraculously, in teh blink of an eye was welcomed into the fold. We do not know what would have happened with Turkey and membership, what we do know is that both Turkey and the EU were working hard to enable that membership. Farage made the point that teh EU was expansionist, which it certainly was and still is. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 28, 2023 20:31:06 GMT
You are treating half the population like crap and you wonder why they are not co-operating with what you want? Less than half now 38% by the latest poll of polls. Even less if you ask "were we right to leave the EU" that's at 33%. When do you think the democracy supporting Brexiters will start recognise these polls. By early 1974 the polls indicated that a 2 to 1 majority thought joining the EEC was a mistake. Democracy supporting Europhiles ignored these polls. |
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