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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 23:18:58 GMT
Disingenuity is insincerity. Insincerity is dishonesty. Ultimately, they're the same. It's just that "dishonesty" is a bit too blunt for you. Will you just stop being cagey and coy about this, please? I mean, what or which argument is so "disingenuous but oft repeated by ex remainers and rabid Scot indies?" Just quote me directly; cut and paste that argument, even. Yes it is too blunt . I repeat ..Dishonest is a blunt term that you used to reframe my point . Im not being cagey or coy . This is something else you seem to have made up in your head . I quoted you directly ffs . Are you really this thick Harsh, blunt. Whatever. Disingenuous and dishonest convey the same, exact idea. Now, what is this dishonest argument you are prattling on about? Cut and paste will do me fine. Or you can give directions as in, first paragraph, 4th sentence. Something like that. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 20, 2023 23:51:06 GMT
Yes it is too blunt . I repeat ..Dishonest is a blunt term that you used to reframe my point . Im not being cagey or coy . This is something else you seem to have made up in your head . I quoted you directly ffs . Are you really this thick Harsh, blunt. Whatever. Disingenuous and dishonest convey the same, exact idea. Now, what is this dishonest argument you are prattling on about? Cut and paste will do me fine. Or you can give directions as in, first paragraph, 4th sentence. Something like that. No they don’t . I was arguing about a disingenuous approach . Which I posted twice . I won’t waste anymore time on your disingenuous obtuseness. Except to say it is typically of ex remainers and rabid Scot indies . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2023 0:05:10 GMT
Harsh, blunt. Whatever. Disingenuous and dishonest convey the same, exact idea. Now, what is this dishonest argument you are prattling on about? Cut and paste will do me fine. Or you can give directions as in, first paragraph, 4th sentence. Something like that. No they don’t . I was arguing about a disingenuous approach . Which I posted twice . I won’t waste anymore time on your disingenuous obtuseness. Except to say it is typically of ex remainers and rabid Scot indies . Polite applause. Well said. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 21, 2023 7:41:21 GMT
simple - not enough people voted for it. Yeah. The Single Market can't be good for England, Scotland and Wales because not enough people voted for it. As if the number of vote defines and affects the quality of the issue voted upon. It's like asserting that what's popular is always right; that the more popular it is, the better it is.  Hey - don't get all bent out of shape. It's normal Democracy that if something fails to win the support of Parliament it does not get enacted. You might wish for a dictatorship without all the messy Parliamentary voting palaver, but I would just caution one thing - be careful what you wish for because you might not like the outcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 7:54:19 GMT
Harsh, blunt. Whatever. Disingenuous and dishonest convey the same, exact idea. Now, what is this dishonest argument you are prattling on about? Cut and paste will do me fine. Or you can give directions as in, first paragraph, 4th sentence. Something like that. No they don’t . I was arguing about a disingenuous approach . Which I posted twice . I won’t waste anymore time on your disingenuous obtuseness. Except to say it is typically of ex remainers and rabid Scot indies . Yes, they do. But if you insist that blunt "dishonesty" has a connotation completely different from polite "disingenuity"; then fine. You're mistake, not mine. I wish, though, you had the ability to expound on and clarify what you're trying to convey. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 8:12:19 GMT
Yeah. The Single Market can't be good for England, Scotland and Wales because not enough people voted for it. As if the number of vote defines and affects the quality of the issue voted upon. It's like asserting that what's popular is always right; that the more popular it is, the better it is. Hey - don't get all bent out of shape. It's normal Democracy that if something fails to win the support of Parliament it does not get enacted. You might wish for a dictatorship without all the messy Parliamentary voting palaver, but I would just caution one thing - be careful what you wish for because you might not like the outcome. But I'm sticking with the form. You're the one who suddenly but not unexpectedly deviated from it. The question is about quality. It's about trait; characteristic; attribute; worthiness; the goodness or the virtue of the Single Market. The question is not about, repeat: not about, how many people voted for it or how popular it was. The question is not about parliament enacting it. It the Single Market is good for NI, why can't it be good for the rest of the UK. The operative word is "good". Your answer? Because not enough people voted for it. I mean, seriously ... Nobody wishes for a dictatorship. As for wishes in general, let's see: Leavers wished for Brexit and wished for a Johnson Brexit. They got it; we all got it. Look at the mess we're in. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 21, 2023 8:21:54 GMT
Hey - don't get all bent out of shape. It's normal Democracy that if something fails to win the support of Parliament it does not get enacted. You might wish for a dictatorship without all the messy Parliamentary voting palaver, but I would just caution one thing - be careful what you wish for because you might not like the outcome. But I'm sticking with the form. You're the one who suddenly but not unexpectedly deviated from it. The question is about quality. It's about trait; characteristic; attribute; worthiness; the goodness or the virtue of the Single Market. The question is not about, repeat: not about, how many people voted for it or how popular it was. The question is not about parliament enacting it. It the Single Market is good for NI, why can't it be good for the rest of the UK. The operative word is "good". Your answer? Because not enough people voted for it. I mean, seriously ... Nobody wishes for a dictatorship. As for wishes in general, let's see: Leavers wished for Brexit and wished for a Johnson Brexit. They got it; we all got it. Look at the mess we're in. Well it's quite simple - a majority in Parliament did not think that the Single Market was good for the UK - NI being somewhat different due to its border issues. It's no good crying about democracy when it fails to go your way. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 21, 2023 9:25:50 GMT
So, yeah; if the Single Market's good for Northern Ireland, then why can't it be good for England, Scotland and Wales? Because it's not good, politically, for the Tories, maybe? simple - not enough people voted for it. Eh? Northern ireland voted by a majority to remain in the EU. At the last stormont election , the majority voted in pro protocl mlas. So thats the 6 counties sorted .
Scotland self explanatory . 62 % remain , now trending near three quarters rejoin.
A small majority in england voted for the blank sheet of paper that was brexit. Lets see who votes what come next election. If starmer wins in england , and pro eu parties win scotland, i will be happy to return the comment and tell you not enough people voted against the EU in the latest vote for you to keep us out.  |
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Post by thomas on Mar 21, 2023 9:28:33 GMT
But I'm sticking with the form. You're the one who suddenly but not unexpectedly deviated from it. The question is about quality. It's about trait; characteristic; attribute; worthiness; the goodness or the virtue of the Single Market. The question is not about, repeat: not about, how many people voted for it or how popular it was. The question is not about parliament enacting it. It the Single Market is good for NI, why can't it be good for the rest of the UK. The operative word is "good". Your answer? Because not enough people voted for it. I mean, seriously ... Nobody wishes for a dictatorship. As for wishes in general, let's see: Leavers wished for Brexit and wished for a Johnson Brexit. They got it; we all got it. Look at the mess we're in. Well it's quite simple - a majority in Parliament did not think that the Single Market was good for the UK - NI being somewhat different due to its border issues. It's no good crying about democracy when it fails to go your way. You told us brexit was a uk vote so the uk had to leave , then when northern ireland gets to stay , you tell us norn ireland is an exception?
I tell you , you brexiters make it up as you go and move the goal posts all over the pitch.
Gnomes points stand . Rishi says its a great deal for norn ireland. ? Why cant other parts of the yookay have the same?
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Post by Vinny on Mar 21, 2023 10:01:39 GMT
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Post by Toreador on Mar 21, 2023 10:04:51 GMT
Well it's quite simple - a majority in Parliament did not think that the Single Market was good for the UK - NI being somewhat different due to its border issues. It's no good crying about democracy when it fails to go your way. You told us brexit was a uk vote so the uk had to leave , then when northern ireland gets to stay , you tell us norn ireland is an exception?
I tell you , you brexiters make it up as you go and move the goal posts all over the pitch.
Gnomes points stand . Rishi says its a great deal for norn ireland. Why cant other parts of the yookay have the same?
It was an exception due to the EU. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 21, 2023 10:43:04 GMT
No they don’t . I was arguing about a disingenuous approach . Which I posted twice . I won’t waste anymore time on your disingenuous obtuseness. Except to say it is typically of ex remainers and rabid Scot indies . Yes, they do. But if you insist that blunt "dishonesty" has a connotation completely different from polite "disingenuity"; then fine. You're mistake, not mine. I wish, though, you had the ability to expound on and clarify what you're trying to convey. No they don’t . It’s amusing that you cant understand and insist I repeat a simple single sentence( which I did ) and at the same time can’t comprehend the difference between disingenuous and dishonest . Words differ for a reason. Why should I expound on a single sentence that despite being simple is beyond your ability to understand ? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 21, 2023 10:47:22 GMT
But I'm sticking with the form. You're the one who suddenly but not unexpectedly deviated from it. The question is about quality. It's about trait; characteristic; attribute; worthiness; the goodness or the virtue of the Single Market. The question is not about, repeat: not about, how many people voted for it or how popular it was. The question is not about parliament enacting it. It the Single Market is good for NI, why can't it be good for the rest of the UK. The operative word is "good". Your answer? Because not enough people voted for it. I mean, seriously ... Nobody wishes for a dictatorship. As for wishes in general, let's see: Leavers wished for Brexit and wished for a Johnson Brexit. They got it; we all got it. Look at the mess we're in. Well it's quite simple - a majority in Parliament did not think that the Single Market was good for the UK - NI being somewhat different due to its border issues.It's no good crying about democracy when it fails to go your way. In a nutshell. No matter how many times you repeat it the ex remainers and Scot indies will ignore it . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 11:21:40 GMT
But I'm sticking with the form. You're the one who suddenly but not unexpectedly deviated from it. The question is about quality. It's about trait; characteristic; attribute; worthiness; the goodness or the virtue of the Single Market. The question is not about, repeat: not about, how many people voted for it or how popular it was. The question is not about parliament enacting it. It the Single Market is good for NI, why can't it be good for the rest of the UK. The operative word is "good". Your answer? Because not enough people voted for it. I mean, seriously ... Nobody wishes for a dictatorship. As for wishes in general, let's see: Leavers wished for Brexit and wished for a Johnson Brexit. They got it; we all got it. Look at the mess we're in. Well it's quite simple - a majority in Parliament did not think that the Single Market was good for the UK - NI being somewhat different due to its border issues. It's no good crying about democracy when it fails to go your way. It's just another way of saying the same, exact thing you've been saying, isn't it? You can present your argument in so many different ways but the fault in your argument will always be obvious. So again, this is the premise: The Single Market is good for Northern Ireland but it is not good for the rest of the UK. Your argument against it is that: The SM is not good for the UK because MPs did not vote for it. In other words, the SM was not popular with MPs. But MPs' opinions (or vote) do not define the character of the Single Market, do they? The fact is, whether the Single Market is good or bad for the UK does not depend on MPs vote. You have to view the Single Market in isolation. You can't say that it's no good because MPs did not vote for it. That line of thinking would compel you to argue the opposite had MPs thought that the SM was good and so voted for it. The Single Market is good for NI and the rest of the UK (as argued by the writer) because it is good for the NI and the UK, not because MPs voted for it or rejected it. Please. Don't go back to arguing about democracy and 2016. It's over. We're talking about the repercussions of 2016. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 11:31:01 GMT
Yes, they do. But if you insist that blunt "dishonesty" has a connotation completely different from polite "disingenuity"; then fine. You're mistake, not mine. I wish, though, you had the ability to expound on and clarify what you're trying to convey. No they don’t . It’s amusing that you cant understand and insist I repeat a simple single sentence( which I did ) and at the same time can’t comprehend the difference between disingenuous and dishonest . Words differ for a reason. Why should I expound on a single sentence that despite being simple is beyond your ability to understand Yes, they do. You don't have to have a BS in Lexicology to know both terms convey the same idea. They are closely associated and convey the idea of dishonesty. Even Google says so. You can't expound even a fragment of a sentence let alone a full sentence. Please. |
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