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Post by oracle75 on Mar 20, 2023 7:51:28 GMT
If the UK were properly secular this issue would not happen.
You keep your faith at home and become a civil citizen outside.
In that way there is little room for discrimination and civil matters are not tainted with advice from god.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:05:36 GMT
Nope, it was a waste of my time asking, so there was no point in asking the same question for a third time. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:08:32 GMT
I thought it was a good answer. Nope his answer was a bit of whataboutism, he never gave a direct answer to my question. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:15:33 GMT
I had Khan down as a non-practising Moslem. Mr Khan was raised a Muslim and has never shied away from acknowledging the importance of his faith. In his maiden speech as an MP he spoke about his father teaching him Mohammed's sayings, or hadiths - in particular the principle that "if one sees something wrong, one has the duty to try to change it". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36140479That was a bad Hadith it could be all too embracing and controlling. A better one I heard of, but can't guarantee its authenticity is 'when in a foreign country abide by the laws of that country but always keep Allah in your heart'. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:23:48 GMT
We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
I totally agree with you. We would do much better with a Christian prime minister. It is my belief that if our country pursued Christian policies then instead of everything open to chance going wrong, we would find everything clicking into place. I look at the way China is governed and I see a lot of Christian values being adhered to. I watch the way it progresses and I look at the way the US progresses but even though the US tried its hardest to attack it, and many others, all the US has done has backfired, where China can't quite believe its luck. Take covid as a good example of this. Their deaths per capita worked out 100 times less than the UK. Everyone predicted millions would die, but they got off lightly. The US tried to screw everyone and it had one of the highest death rates for a developed nation. Like say just if we went as far as renouncing war, we would see big benefits. I think being involved in war is a harbinger of bad luck and failure. Anyway, I hope whoever it is wins. Your position is that the authoritarian no free press of what is basically a Chinese dictatorship, is a reliable source of information. Try conducting a survey in China into the number of deaths there, and see how far you get. I think you would find yourself at the nearest international airport and out of the county in no time at all. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 8:30:42 GMT
My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? Reading your question i see it can be interpreted in two ways. The first ‘would i welcome a government who demand i convert to their faith’, the second ‘would i welcome a government whose legislative programme is driven through tbeir adherence to their holy writ’ These are not the same question, by a long way. My answer to the first is up yours, mate. I am a fully licensed priest of the First United Church of Cthulhu (registered in the state of Nevada for tax purposes) My answer to the second is … maybe, maybe not. My intention was to see if the poster, who had given his backing to an individual based upon a religious based conviction by that individual, would be happy to see religious based convictions of government members dominate the running of the country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 8:33:24 GMT
People of ANY faith have the right to hold high office - agreed
If however the law of the land clearly states that a Civil Partnership of a man and woman is equal to a same sex civil partnership - then that person in high office must either accept the law of equality OR relinquish the right to hold high office and resign.
Same with the couple with so called "Christian views" who owned a guest house, and would not allow a gay couple to stay. Such people have no right to be in such a business, and cannot ever be exempt from our laws of equality.
It would ne different to barring black people from a cafe, bar or restaurant because of your views
Its 100% not acceptable and its time that the minority of Christians who hold such outdated views were PUT IN THEIR PLACE.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2023 8:44:46 GMT
People of ANY faith have the right to hold high office - agreed If however the law of the land clearly states that a Civil Partnership of a man and woman is equal to a same sex civil partnership - then that person in high office must either accept the law of equality OR relinquish the right to hold high office and resign. Same with the couple with so called "Christian views" who owned a guest house, and would not allow a gay couple to stay. Such people have no right to be in such a business, and cannot ever be exempt from our laws of equality. It would ne different to barring black people from a cafe, bar or restaurant because of your views Its 100% not acceptable and its time that the minority of Christians who hold such outdated views were PUT IN THEIR PLACE. I think i first heard the statement that ‘sincere religious belief should not of itself be a bar to holding high office’ in the run-up to, or maybe in the immediate aftermath of, the replacement of Jimmy Carter as US President by Ronald Reagan And i agree with that. But of course, the remainder of your post then brings the elephant of acquiescence to other religions into rather sharper focus. Why should this country be forced to recognise the legitimacy of a man having multiple wives because it is legal in a country whose government rules by struct adherence to religions permitting it Why do we allow jews to prepare meat using kosher slaughter It seems a tad hypocritical to demand one religion abandon its tenets in the name of fairness to all while ignoring the fact others are permitted to operate as if this were the first millennium not the third. |
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Post by jeg er on Mar 20, 2023 9:14:21 GMT
Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? who says they would seek to impose them upon society? have sadiq khan or rishi sunak done that? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2023 11:51:41 GMT
If the UK were properly secular this issue would not happen. You keep your faith at home and become a civil citizen outside. In that way there is little room for discrimination and civil matters are not tainted with advice from god. Discrimination is a mental function used to make a judgment on something.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2023 11:57:12 GMT
I totally agree with you. We would do much better with a Christian prime minister. It is my belief that if our country pursued Christian policies then instead of everything open to chance going wrong, we would find everything clicking into place. I look at the way China is governed and I see a lot of Christian values being adhered to. I watch the way it progresses and I look at the way the US progresses but even though the US tried its hardest to attack it, and many others, all the US has done has backfired, where China can't quite believe its luck. Take covid as a good example of this. Their deaths per capita worked out 100 times less than the UK. Everyone predicted millions would die, but they got off lightly. The US tried to screw everyone and it had one of the highest death rates for a developed nation. Like say just if we went as far as renouncing war, we would see big benefits. I think being involved in war is a harbinger of bad luck and failure. Anyway, I hope whoever it is wins. Your position is that the authoritarian no free press of what is basically a Chinese dictatorship, is a reliable source of information. Try conducting a survey in China into the number of deaths there, and see how far you get. I think you would find yourself at the nearest international airport and out of the county in no time at all. So you imagine, but China is not at all like that and they welcome those who do research. The State TV is very accurate, and very much unlike the BBC. I was just watching it a moment ago. President Xi is visiting Russia and they were showing the welcoming signs along the road in Chinese.
Here's another state TV clip.
Full red carpet treatment.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2023 12:08:09 GMT
20 years ago we had the deeply Christian Mr Blair in office.
We all know what happened there.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 12:12:16 GMT
Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? have sadiq khan or rishi sunak done that? Not me, I put forward a hypothetical question. I asked "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 12:15:21 GMT
'People of faith have a right to hold high office': SNP's Kate Forbes attacks 'backlash' against her Christian faith and anti-gay marriage views in race to become Scotland's First Minister - as she says conversion therapy is 'abhorrent'
She faced media on a weekend when party has been thrown into turmoil
Row over real membership numbers and the validity of the vote for party leader
Most Muslims or Jews rarely get asked as regards their faith yet Christians are quizzed in detail. In fact when Zac Goldsmith raised Sadiq Khan's faith he was accused of Islamophobia yet Khan said his faith was important to him just as Yousef does. I’ve noticed the opposite — I see that if people, who are standing for office, are questioned about their religious views, only Christians with strong/wacky/dangerous views are interrogated and commented on at length. On the other hand Jews and Muslims seeking or in public positions seem automatically to be assumed to have wacky and dangerous views that are harmful to the rest of the population — even before questioning… |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 12:17:03 GMT
20 years ago we had the deeply Christian Mr Blair in office. We all know what happened there. There are so many insinuated lies and other insinuations about that period that it seems very few do actually know what happened there. Strong misguided opinions about that period are plentiful. |
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