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Post by Ripley on Mar 19, 2023 20:17:06 GMT
Unless you're Scottish, you won't have a vote. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 19, 2023 20:18:16 GMT
The UK/England/British or whatever you want to call us, whether you are religious or not, we are a country of Christian faith, but we have become the minority in our own country, it's almost racist to declare yourself as a Christian, it makes no difference if you are religious or not, you should hold the values, customs and religions of your own country, if not be prepared to be the minority and let other faiths take over our country. A 16th century commentator on the beliefs of the English said: "There are three factions in our country: Protestants, Catholics,and atheists ... and the atheists are by far the majority". One of the 15th century Holy Roman Emperors is reported to have said: "Jesus and Mohammed were the two greatest frauds in history." Martin Luther's father, a workng class worker in Copper, was an atheist. There are even ancient Egyptian papyri expressing atheist views. When explorers in New Guinea discovered an uncontacted tribe they found a surprising number of members who ridiculed the tribal beliefs. The same was found amongst eskimo tribes. Atheism is a natural way of thinking that has probably been around ever since man became capable of thinking. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 19, 2023 20:20:14 GMT
Do you have a direct answer to my question? What question? The question you have just answered. Have you lost the plot, why are you asking me a question that you have acknowledged I have already answered? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 20:47:22 GMT
The question you have just answered. Have you lost the plot, why are you asking me a question that you have acknowledged I have already answered? My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 19, 2023 20:56:43 GMT
Have you lost the plot, why are you asking me a question that you have acknowledged I have already answered? My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 21:02:50 GMT
My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
OK, I won't ask again. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 19, 2023 21:04:09 GMT
'People of faith have a right to hold high office': SNP's Kate Forbes attacks 'backlash' against her Christian faith and anti-gay marriage views in race to become Scotland's First Minister - as she says conversion therapy is 'abhorrent'
She faced media on a weekend when party has been thrown into turmoil
Row over real membership numbers and the validity of the vote for party leader
Most Muslims or Jews rarely get asked as regards their faith yet Christians are quizzed in detail. In fact when Zac Goldsmith raised Sadiq Khan's faith he was accused of Islamophobia yet Khan said his faith was important to him just as Yousef does. I had Khan down as a non-practising Moslem. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 19, 2023 21:33:46 GMT
We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
OK, I won't ask again. Fair enough. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 19, 2023 22:23:50 GMT
We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
OK, I won't ask again. I thought it was a good answer. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 19, 2023 22:30:59 GMT
Most Muslims or Jews rarely get asked as regards their faith yet Christians are quizzed in detail. In fact when Zac Goldsmith raised Sadiq Khan's faith he was accused of Islamophobia yet Khan said his faith was important to him just as Yousef does. I had Khan down as a non-practising Moslem. Mr Khan was raised a Muslim and has never shied away from acknowledging the importance of his faith. In his maiden speech as an MP he spoke about his father teaching him Mohammed's sayings, or hadiths - in particular the principle that "if one sees something wrong, one has the duty to try to change it". www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36140479 |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 19, 2023 23:24:31 GMT
In 1990 my wife spent a few days in hospital. The doctors declared that she had "No treatable condition" (she was severely disabled ... and had a diagnosis of MS). I was told to take her home. A hospital social worker, who was supposed to advise us about the support available, a smiling (white English) young woman, spent 30 minutes telling us about Jesus. As a young man when I became homeless, a senior social worker who interviewed me spent his time telling me about Jesus. I was once even told about Jesus by a young policeman who quationed me in the street. A Rabbi I listened to on Youtube, who I found acceptable, said, with a smile on her face: "I'm just about the most liberal Rabbi there could possibly be." The question is, with people of faith is: "How liberal is their faith?" The more illiberal a person's faith is the more prone to anger they tend to be .. sometimes to the point of being dangerous (like Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister). One thing I'm curious about is will King Charles, when he gives his Christmas message, talk about Jesus? I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. There are a surprising number of UK politicians who are "People of faith" who keep their faith to themselves, who affirm rather than oath take. Rishi didn't. All politicans should affirm rather than take an oath. Charles is on record as saying he wants to change the definition of F.D. from its current ‘defender of THE faith’ to ‘defender of faith’. So i suspect hecwill avoid specific ideology. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 19, 2023 23:35:24 GMT
Have you lost the plot, why are you asking me a question that you have acknowledged I have already answered? My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? Reading your question i see it can be interpreted in two ways. The first ‘would i welcome a government who demand i convert to their faith’, the second ‘would i welcome a government whose legislative programme is driven through tbeir adherence to their holy writ’ These are not the same question, by a long way. My answer to the first is up yours, mate. I am a fully licensed priest of the First United Church of Cthulhu (registered in the state of Nevada for tax purposes) My answer to the second is … maybe, maybe not. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 20, 2023 2:47:48 GMT
My post should have read the question you have just failed to answer, so I'll try again. "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
I totally agree with you. We would do much better with a Christian prime minister. It is my belief that if our country pursued Christian policies then instead of everything open to chance going wrong, we would find everything clicking into place. I look at the way China is governed and I see a lot of Christian values being adhered to. I watch the way it progresses and I look at the way the US progresses but even though the US tried its hardest to attack it, and many others, all the US has done has backfired, where China can't quite believe its luck. Take covid as a good example of this. Their deaths per capita worked out 100 times less than the UK. Everyone predicted millions would die, but they got off lightly. The US tried to screw everyone and it had one of the highest death rates for a developed nation. Like say just if we went as far as renouncing war, we would see big benefits. I think being involved in war is a harbinger of bad luck and failure. Anyway, I hope whoever it is wins. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 20, 2023 6:34:58 GMT
We are so far trying to be governed by the Woke snowflakes, I'm not sure whether it's more of a religion than a agenda?
But what is the difference?
We are being browbeaten into changing our own history, culture, religion and heritage by those who think it should 'never have happened'.
The new potential SNP leader should not be discriminated against because she holds traditional, cultural religious UK Christian values, why is she being stigmatized? If she was any other religion the Woke snowflake outraged lefties would have their banner waving protests in full swing.
I totally agree with you. We would do much better with a Christian prime minister. It is my belief that if our country pursued Christian policies then instead of everything open to chance going wrong, we would find everything clicking into place. I look at the way China is governed and I see a lot of Christian values being adhered to. I watch the way it progresses and I look at the way the US progresses but even though the US tried its hardest to attack it, and many others, all the US has done has backfired, where China can't quite believe its luck. Take covid as a good example of this. Their deaths per capita worked out 100 times less than the UK. Everyone predicted millions would die, but they got off lightly. The US tried to screw everyone and it had one of the highest death rates for a developed nation. Like say just if we went as far as renouncing war, we would see big benefits. I think being involved in war is a harbinger of bad luck and failure. Anyway, I hope whoever it is wins. Religion of peace? Read the Bible, read reliable history books and you may find one about the Crusades. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 20, 2023 7:48:47 GMT
As has been said muslims who are seeking political power are rarely questioned about their religious views, for the simple reason that they react very badly and accuse the questioner of islamophobia. Christians are questioned relentlessly about their views on gays and gay marriage in particular. I remember Tim Farron was always asked questions about his religious views and he could never come up with a sensible answer - but he is a bit thick.
Yet the answer is quite straightforward. Homosexuality is regarded as a sin by most religions, but Christianity is fairly lenient on sinners and Christian views on homosexuality vary. There is certainly no draconian punishment for homosexuality as in Islam, where SHaria law requires that they are thrown off a tall building and then stoned to death if that doesn't kill them.
But the big difference between Islam and most other religions is that Islam is not actually a religion - in fact there is no word for religion in Arabic. Islam is called a "Din", which roughly translates to a "way of life". As such it includes religious beliefs, its own system of law (Sharia) and a political system (which we seem to call Islamism). In fact muslims believe that man does NOT make laws - only Allah makes laws - which draws into question why muslims should want to become politicians, whose main function is to make laws.
Sharia law is very clear about homosexuality in that it is "haram" (very haram indeed). When asked about their views on it muslims like Sadiq Khan and Abu Hamza always try to evade answering by saying that they voted in favour of gay marriage - which means nothing because they don't recognise our form of marriage anyway. In fact Hamza seems to have been being "economical with the truth" because he allegedly managed to dodge the vote on gay marriage, so he didn't vote for it.
When it comes to voting for Hamza or Forbes I'd always choose Forbes because at least she has told the truth - usually the best policy - whereas Hamza has obviously lied. If he said what his real views on homosexuality are I think many people would be pretty shocked.
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