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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 15, 2023 12:29:58 GMT
This is a future debate in Westminster which has not happened, but when it does there will be overwhelming support from all sides of the house, just as it was with Russia. 2025 is the date earmarked. The military industrial complex is servicing the Ukraine business right now, but they have China pencilled in right after the conclusion of Ukraine.
Last night I was listening to a piece of journalism about China on DW - a German TV station which is a part of the war machine just as any of our own is , like Sky News, BBC, Telegraph etc. The proles following that were unanimous that China is as evil as Russia is and their leader is as evil as President Putin. The proles behave as if they have a mental age of a child, making fun of their leader and so on. This is all media priming so that in 2025 there will be unanimous support and it will be seen as the right thing to do, and that Britain will do what it takes to save us from what is entirely fictional.
The highly disturbing thing for me is the proportion already with this view. It took me some 20-30 comments before finding anything that questioned it.
And as it goes on. It's garbage in = garbage out, and what is going into their stupid minds right now is war with China propaganda. I'm just informing you guys ahead of time.
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 15, 2023 15:58:04 GMT
So your position is that China are in no way bringing this on themselves?
The West should ignore the spying and stealing of intellectual property?
They should ignore the breaking of trade agreements?
They should ignore human rights abuses?
They should ignore how they allowed COVID to spread to entire world? That's even before we talk about was it a lab leak...
They should ignore the belt and road program which puts huge debts onto other countries, making them subservient to China?
The West believes in freedom and democracy so it is always going to butt heads with countries that have neither. The saber rattling that goes on is nothing new, and does not mean war is imminent. It is just the big faction seeking to protect their interests by reminding the other side that they are not to be messed with.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 15, 2023 21:10:31 GMT
So your position is that China are in no way bringing this on themselves? The West should ignore the spying and stealing of intellectual property? They should ignore the breaking of trade agreements? They should ignore human rights abuses? They should ignore how they allowed COVID to spread to entire world? That's even before we talk about was it a lab leak... They should ignore the belt and road program which puts huge debts onto other countries, making them subservient to China? The West believes in freedom and democracy so it is always going to butt heads with countries that have neither. The saber rattling that goes on is nothing new, and does not mean war is imminent. It is just the big faction seeking to protect their interests by reminding the other side that they are not to be messed with. China is not threatening us at all. What the hell are you on about? On the contrary they are a benefit to our economy. Would you like to be one of the ones to die in a war cooked up by the US? If not then don't expect someone else to. |
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Post by sword on Mar 15, 2023 23:13:19 GMT
So your position is that China are in no way bringing this on themselves? The West should ignore the spying and stealing of intellectual property? They should ignore the breaking of trade agreements? They should ignore human rights abuses? They should ignore how they allowed COVID to spread to entire world? That's even before we talk about was it a lab leak... They should ignore the belt and road program which puts huge debts onto other countries, making them subservient to China? The West believes in freedom and democracy so it is always going to butt heads with countries that have neither. The saber rattling that goes on is nothing new, and does not mean war is imminent. It is just the big faction seeking to protect their interests by reminding the other side that they are not to be messed with. Freedom and democracy,do me a favour. |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 16, 2023 1:51:24 GMT
So your position is that China are in no way bringing this on themselves? The West should ignore the spying and stealing of intellectual property? They should ignore the breaking of trade agreements? They should ignore human rights abuses? They should ignore how they allowed COVID to spread to entire world? That's even before we talk about was it a lab leak... They should ignore the belt and road program which puts huge debts onto other countries, making them subservient to China? The West believes in freedom and democracy so it is always going to butt heads with countries that have neither. The saber rattling that goes on is nothing new, and does not mean war is imminent. It is just the big faction seeking to protect their interests by reminding the other side that they are not to be messed with. Freedom and democracy,do me a favour. You literally wouldn't be allowed to post on a forum like this in China, and you can't vote lol. Claiming you don't enjoy freedom or democracy is pathetic. |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 16, 2023 1:56:14 GMT
So your position is that China are in no way bringing this on themselves? The West should ignore the spying and stealing of intellectual property? They should ignore the breaking of trade agreements? They should ignore human rights abuses? They should ignore how they allowed COVID to spread to entire world? That's even before we talk about was it a lab leak... They should ignore the belt and road program which puts huge debts onto other countries, making them subservient to China? The West believes in freedom and democracy so it is always going to butt heads with countries that have neither. The saber rattling that goes on is nothing new, and does not mean war is imminent. It is just the big faction seeking to protect their interests by reminding the other side that they are not to be messed with. China is not threatening us at all. What the hell are you on about? On the contrary they are a benefit to our economy. Would you like to be one of the ones to die in a war cooked up by the US? If not then don't expect someone else to. This is the last time I will respond to you. You haven't even bothered to answer a single one of the accusations I put to you. Well to be fair you can't, because we all know they are true. Why don't you do us all a favour and move to China, you won't be able to post on here then, that would be a "benefit" lol. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 16, 2023 3:15:52 GMT
China is not threatening us at all. What the hell are you on about? On the contrary they are a benefit to our economy. Would you like to be one of the ones to die in a war cooked up by the US? If not then don't expect someone else to. This is the last time I will respond to you. You haven't even bothered to answer a single one of the accusations I put to you. Well to be fair you can't, because we all know they are true. Why don't you do us all a favour and move to China, you won't be able to post on here then, that would be a "benefit" lol. So you think killing people will solve this alleged theft of intellectual property. You sound like a fascist. It is false and hypocritical what you say. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 16, 2023 7:32:31 GMT
"this alleged theft of intellectual property".... 
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Post by Orac on Mar 16, 2023 9:51:41 GMT
The real culprits are our own gormless ruling arsehole class who, rather than acting to protect our property , decided it was advantageous to them personally to allow the thievery because it was someone else's work.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 16, 2023 11:37:17 GMT
Freedom and democracy,do me a favour. You literally wouldn't be allowed to post on a forum like this in China, and you can't vote lol. Claiming you don't enjoy freedom or democracy is pathetic. China has its own forums on Youtube. I would not be at all surprised if some of these I've chatted to are members of the party over there. If you want to know what it is like, my impression is it is generally very polite and friendly. This forum can be so arrogant. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 16, 2023 11:47:48 GMT
Yes I've already seen the Chinese Rolls. They do Chinese Apple phones as well.
I mean China does not give a shit because in the eyes of the manufacturer, they see what people like the look of and build it like that, so it is all linked to consumer demand. take a typical example - young 16 year old Chinese girl in low paid job. She wants to look fashionable with an Iphone but can not afford the rip-off price, so as always in China there are firms that see her and think, we can help her with her problem and make one that she can afford. It's just copying a fashion and in China this is perfectly OK.
In their minds Rolls Royce would be free to copy one of their cars.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 12:30:51 GMT
I dint think the ‘ baron’ has seen an enemy of the West that he doesn’t like .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 12:33:48 GMT
The opening post is nothing except a giant conspiracy theory full of unfounded assumptions
It started of ok, but then it gets to this point "they have China pencilled in right after the conclusion of Ukraine." a statement based upon what evidence. ?
Then, the post goes on to make another absurd statement which is a common conspiracy theory oft put out by those of the nutty Left persuassion ... " DW - a German TV station which is a part of the war machine just as any of our own is , like Sky News, BBC, Telegraph etc."
So Deutsche Welle is the same as the BBC, and together they put out the government line which is all part of some Western or American project to brainwash the people and dominate the world.
In the late 1940s there was a revolution and uprising in China, which resulted in a Communist regime taking over, but the island of Taiwan remained as the Republic Of China.
Taiwan poses no threat to anyone, and Taiwan simply wishes to exist peacefuly as a democratic nation, and as a neighbour of Communist China, and so why cannot the Peoples Republic simply leave things be, instead of constantly threataning Taiwan. ?
The West, the United States, Japan, South Korea, Australia. AUKUS etc has absolutely no intention what so ever of starting a war with China.
But the West is mindful of China's threats to Taiwan, and to its aggressive approach to islands and areas of the South China Sea which are disputed territories and claimed by The Philipines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei.
The ONLY way of resolvement is via United Nations or International Court decisions, not by illegaly claiming a territory and then building military bases on it.
The policy of the allies ( USA, Australia, Japan, Canada, UK, South Korea etc ) is containment, and to demonstrate the international law reigns supreme.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 16, 2023 13:20:31 GMT
I dint think the ‘ baron’ has seen an enemy of the West that he doesn’t like . There are Islamic suicide bombers and "honor killings"(sic) which I don't like. As for the Chinese, the one thing you get to notice is they are very polite and civilised. I like civilised people and so I personally get on well with them. They are also very optimistic and I like that. There is a saying in china which translates to "we will find a way". It sums them up. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 13:27:47 GMT
I dint think the ‘ baron’ has seen an enemy of the West that he doesn’t like . There are Islamic suicide bombers and "honor killings"(sic) which I don't like. As for the Chinese, the one thing you get to notice is they are very polite and civilised. I like civilised people and so I personally get on well with them. They are also very optimistic and I like that. There is a saying in china which translates to "we will find a way". It sums them up. They have no time for you. You are a gweilo but keep up the sycophancy. |
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