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Post by Toreador on Mar 15, 2023 14:48:44 GMT
Bentley ... "Fuck me. Strawmen r us . Lineker made a dishonest, dog whistle type , Godwin law style ,false comparison in a lame attempt to virtue signal. He could of made the point without the pathetic attempt at hyperbole exaggeration and false claims. And now you are following Gary’s example and making an uncontrolled migrant issue into a racist one . You do know that Albanians are not black people dont you? Unless you are claiming that the people you make knee jerk allegations of racism would be happier to accept European Albanians over African.." ----------------------------------------------------- Its a matter of opinion Farage has frequently used similar language, inflamatory, sensationalist, exaggeration, its why UKIP voters were labeled as "closet racists and swivel eyed loons" by David Cameron of all people. The rhetoric as frequently used by SOME ministers and some so called Newspapers has been reminiscent of the kind of language used against Jews in 1930s Germany, and Garry Linekar was 100% correct, and whether you like it or not, that is the opinion of millions of British people. I do not see any refugee / asylum issue from a position of race, I see it from a position of common sense, and common sense tells me that Albanians do not need asylum, but perhaps Syrians and Ukrainians do. I did wonder why you had Sid James as you avatar, is it because he's South African froma time when apartheid was really strong?
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2023 15:06:47 GMT
Bentley ... "Fuck me. Strawmen r us . Lineker made a dishonest, dog whistle type , Godwin law style ,false comparison in a lame attempt to virtue signal. He could of made the point without the pathetic attempt at hyperbole exaggeration and false claims. And now you are following Gary’s example and making an uncontrolled migrant issue into a racist one . You do know that Albanians are not black people dont you? Unless you are claiming that the people you make knee jerk allegations of racism would be happier to accept European Albanians over African.." ----------------------------------------------------- Its a matter of opinion Farage has frequently used similar language, inflamatory, sensationalist, exaggeration, its why UKIP voters were labeled as "closet racists and swivel eyed loons" by David Cameron of all people. The rhetoric as frequently used by SOME ministers and some so called Newspapers has been reminiscent of the kind of language used against Jews in 1930s Germany, and Garry Linekar was 100% correct, and whether you like it or not, that is the opinion of millions of British people. I do not see any refugee / asylum issue from a position of race, I see it from a position of common sense, and common sense tells me that Albanians do not need asylum, but perhaps Syrians and Ukrainians do. It’s dishonest and misleading . You can’t justify Lineker remarks so you move the goalposts to Farage then make the same accusations about “SOME” ministers and “ so called newspapers “ without any evidence to support it. Where are the remarks from the German government in the 1930s referring to an invasion of migrants ? As I pointed out , this is as dishonest as accusing Angela Rayner of using language reminiscent of the 1930s when she called the Tories scum because Nazis called the Jews scum. Eh..you..”Your all tinged to one degree or another with Bigotry ” ..then “We live in a country where, in my lifetime, racism was rampant in society, and where black people were routinely excluded not only from decent jobs and housing, but also from bars, cafes, restaurants and businesses. The police had to be threataned and warned to clean up their act over and over, yet bigotry and racism still exists within our police forces. If black people had been treated differently from when they were invited here, if they had been treated as equals, then things would have been different today. Black Lives Matter is relevant, not least because of history, including recent history, and because of how people who are different were treated.” You wanted to frame this around racism against black peoples , got caught out , ignored your post and claim that you “ don’t see any refugee / asylum issue from a position of race”….in the next post …….ffs
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Post by wapentake on Mar 15, 2023 16:04:22 GMT
The problem with you Moaners in here - is that you just dont like famous or well known people who champion the cause of equality, fairness or justice for ALL. Your all tinged to one degree or another with Bigotry What you (and others) don't understand is in this whole process it's the fact the rich and famous (like Lineker)ride roughshod over rules that apply to the plebs,in this case there are what is regarded as lesser folk who work at the beeb who've been hauled over the coals for just liking a tweet do you get that? No of course you don't.
You don't care he doesn't either so who is bigoted now then?
As for moan you just repeat Tory bad like some creature from animal farm,what you fail to see it's been all pretty much a downhill slope from the grantham grocers daughter the next stop being the trapeze artist and family values whilst bonking the curried egg woman,Blair the war criminal who has delusional thoughts of greatness,Gordon who meant well but was out of his depth,the pig botherer who had a lib sidekick for a while who wanted to fill his wallet and sod any princioples Pig botherer again who ran away when things didn't go his way.
Yeah seen racism and got off my backside and did something about it when I could,I've also seen racism in the other direction and the madness of quotas,any position,job or whatever should be solely on merit alone it's very well you quoting this or that but you think many in labour better,those calling black tories coconuts,the anti semitism were you shouting the odds then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 18:12:37 GMT
Rubbish. All the people in charge are Tories appointed by the Tories. Jug ears was employed long before a tory donor took the helm of the bullshit broadcastin company......Never mind karen you are good for a laugh. As a sports pundit. He is n ot one of the ones in charge. They are all Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 18:14:55 GMT
For one thing the nature of the license fee itself offends against left wing sensibilities. We see it as a poll tax on TV ownership, one which takes zero account of ability to pay, hits poor people hardest, and is enforced by draconian legal sanctions. After all if I don't pay other bills the worst thing likely to eventually happen is being cut off or having the bailiffs appear. With the license fee I could receive a massive fine and be sent to prison. Even those of us on the left who might support the BBC favour removing the legal sanctions and replacing the funding model with something fairer. And when the left was a driving force in Labour in the teeth of much internal opposition, we experienced the BBC as an establishmentarian propaganda tool used against us, with anti left bias which was at times quite blatant. Since then the left has in consequence become markedly more anti-BBC than it used to be. But we do worry about a television landscape filled with blatantly right wing propaganda posing as news of a kind similar to GBNews. I tend to think genuine impartiality rules should be legally binding upon all TV News and current affairs output. The flaw here though is that I don't trust most of our politicians of any political party to come up with truly impartial rules. The massive fine is not for not paying it is for using equipment without a licence to do so. I am always interested in 'ability to pay' as that requires a judgement being made by someone that the ability is not there and of course means that judgements are made as regards everyone else that they either have the ability or do not. An issue fraught with difficulties. The thing with GBNews is that the point of view of the presenters is countered with the point of view of commentators who are allowed to comment freely. So at least the 'propaganda' does not receive wall to wall agreement. If only that was matched by other channels most especially the BBC. Are you really saying that GB News is less biased than everyone else and expecting to be taken seriously? lol
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2023 18:17:14 GMT
Jug ears was employed long before a tory donor took the helm of the bullshit broadcastin company......Never mind karen you are good for a laugh. As a sports pundit. He is n ot one of the ones in charge. They are all Tories. You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories run the BBC, why is it Tories are the only ones demanding the tv licence fee is scrapped, you'd hardly bite the hand that was feeding you, would you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 18:25:07 GMT
As a sports pundit. He is n ot one of the ones in charge. They are all Tories. You are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the Tories run the BBC, why is it Tories are the only ones demanding the tv licence fee is scrapped, you'd hardly bite the hand that was feeding you, would you? All the ones in charge are Tory appointees, even Tory donors. That some still want the license fee scrapped is simply an ideological obsession. Incidentally many of us on the left also want the license fee scrapped and do not support the BBC anymore
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 15, 2023 18:29:38 GMT
Jug ears was employed long before a tory donor took the helm of the bullshit broadcastin company......Never mind karen you are good for a laugh. As a sports pundit. He is n ot one of the ones in charge. They are all Tories. for someone not in charge he seems to have more clout than the Director General..
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Post by om15 on Mar 15, 2023 18:40:27 GMT
No it isn't, it is merely that we wish to choose how to spend our own money.
I have no interest in football, I once played it when I was about nine, it was cold and muddy and I lost interest. Apart from his asinine leftie comments I know nothing about Liniker, and the reason that I don't wish to fund his ridiculous salary is because I would rather spend MY money on something that gives me pleasure.
I understand that this non partisan and simple viewpoint fails to meet your anti right wing hysteria on the subject, but there it is.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 15, 2023 18:58:22 GMT
The massive fine is not for not paying it is for using equipment without a licence to do so. I am always interested in 'ability to pay' as that requires a judgement being made by someone that the ability is not there and of course means that judgements are made as regards everyone else that they either have the ability or do not. An issue fraught with difficulties. The thing with GBNews is that the point of view of the presenters is countered with the point of view of commentators who are allowed to comment freely. So at least the 'propaganda' does not receive wall to wall agreement. If only that was matched by other channels most especially the BBC. Are you really saying that GB News is less biased than everyone else and expecting to be taken seriously? lol More open to an alternative view. Many of their panellists are hardly the stuff of the RW and even then I would think the likes of Neil Oliver is LW and democratic but obviously not the radical left and not so mired in identity politics that now seems the very stuff of the left. I remember the days when the left were fixated on we are all equal with no differences and as such we cannot judge a person by the colour of his skin. It seems those days are long gone and now the colour of one's skin is a badge of guilt.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2023 19:37:13 GMT
Reasonable advice, stop allowing your bias to dictate your posts. Therein lies the problem with group think, nobody is allowed outside of the box, which in actual fact real Conservatism relies on, people stepping outside the box. I have noticed one or two who post here, so they have to realise they will be attacked by group think.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 19:49:31 GMT
Wapentake ... ( good Yorkshire name )
If a minion or lesser person who works for the BBC aired an opinion on Twitter, a researcher, a clerk, a techincian or electrician, no one would be interested because no one knows who they are.
So in reality there is no real precident for what Garry Linekar did, he's a world famous footballer, and the only similar precident has been when other footballers have got involved in controversial issues, such as Marcus Rashford, and allthough Mr Rashford is not in the employ of the BBC, he also received a vicious right wing backlash - for standing up for children from low income families.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2023 20:03:13 GMT
Wapentake ... ( good Yorkshire name ) If a minion or lesser person who works for the BBC aired an opinion on Twitter, a researcher, a clerk, a techincian or electrician, no one would be interested because no one knows who they are. So in reality there is no real precident for what Garry Linekar did, he's a world famous footballer, and the only similar precident has been when other footballers have got involved in controversial issues, such as Marcus Rashford, and allthough Mr Rashford is not in the employ of the BBC, he also received a vicious right wing backlash - for standing up for children from low income families. I don't get it Sid there must be a reason somebody hasn't said Gary Lineker is being a right asshole so fuck him, but oh no we all have to play along. He has had his say and as usual it is all bollox.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 20:44:52 GMT
Are you really saying that GB News is less biased than everyone else and expecting to be taken seriously? lol More open to an alternative view. Many of their panellists are hardly the stuff of the RW and even then I would think the likes of Neil Oliver is LW and democratic but obviously not the radical left and not so mired in identity politics that now seems the very stuff of the left. I remember the days when the left were fixated on we are all equal with no differences and as such we cannot judge a person by the colour of his skin. It seems those days are long gone and now the colour of one's skin is a badge of guilt. More ridiculous loaded drivel. A sensible debate with you is as unlikely as it would be with a brainwashed child.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 21:16:58 GMT
More open to an alternative view. Many of their panellists are hardly the stuff of the RW and even then I would think the likes of Neil Oliver is LW and democratic but obviously not the radical left and not so mired in identity politics that now seems the very stuff of the left. I remember the days when the left were fixated on we are all equal with no differences and as such we cannot judge a person by the colour of his skin. It seems those days are long gone and now the colour of one's skin is a badge of guilt. More ridiculous loaded drivel. A sensible debate with you is as unlikely as it would be with a brainwashed child. What points are you disagreeing with? Obviously none of Starmer's henchmen on here can justify the BBC's existence, which is why they're reduced to talking utter crap about the UKIP and race baiting, whilst calling everyone who disagrees with them bigots.
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