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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 22, 2022 2:38:55 GMT
Blimey. People think that "wokery" got us here. Let's just be clear, wokery just means caring about others. Anyone think that we got where we are whilst caring for others. Nah, I don't think so either. I can't wait for your explanation on how trying to erase our history by pulling down statues or the changing of street name is helping others. Interesting. You describe me as "woke", but don't think I've ever advocated either of those... |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 22, 2022 6:27:25 GMT
The government cant govern. People are gluing themselves to roads causing chaos, with impunity. We are being invaded daily, and reward them for doing so. The EU still governs us through N Ireland and legislation. Because we let them. Wokery is causing civil war, no one in government knows how to deal with it. Take one wrong step and hell breaks loose. We are bankrupt. The spectre of rule by dictatorship grows ever larger through the American democrats, the EU, socialism, China, and practically everyone else. Living in Britain will soon be like living under Putin, but in a woke way. Freedom shrinks daily. Watch what you say or think. Wear a headscarf to cover your hair, or we will kill you. Being white is a crime. You are guilty of everything because of your history. A christian christmas is forbidden. Business is a sin. No fracking, no oil. Alcoholism, drug addiction, dependancy in every way is ok. Lauded even as you are a victim. The rich are the enemy. Terrorists are saints fighting for freedom. Chaos is everywhere, the country is sinking head first. While parliament fights amongst itself. How did we get here? We are going to be living under a master sooner or later, democracy is finished, just look at our parliament, and the disaster of brexit and theresa May.etc. The need for freedom needs to be re mustered under another leader. And it will emerge. To lose again. Globalists, and there like will always prevail, to enslave us all for the benefit of the few. It is impossible for a large organisation, like the Eu etc, not to be stinkingly corrupt. It's the illness of woke. Yes covid cost £billions and Putin's adventures aren't helping. But the illness of woke has negatively affected this country more than anything in my lifetime. I would never have believed that men in dresses would be allowed into girls changing rooms, or critical race theory would be taught to children as fact, or 'white' people would be forced to do unconscious bias training which implies they are biased to begin with, or that we would see British police officers in uniform wearing rainbow helmets and dancing at gay pride events, or that senior politicians and police officers would kneel for a Marxist organisation whose core aim is to defund the police, and has since been outed as totally corrupt. Woke is an extremely damaging left-wing illness that like kneeling for BLM will eventually die. FFS Red give me your hand before you completely disappear down the Rabbit hole. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 22, 2022 8:08:36 GMT
What Mags is wishing to deny it that on March 23rd 2020 it was looking at imminent total collapse with 14,000 deaths a day and well over a million cases wanting hospital treatment by April 20th if the exponential trippling per week was unchecked. Lockdown introduced that day made that check. You are attempting here to create an implicit strawman. I never said that coved didn't exist or that covid was not a serious problem. I said we massively over-reacted and that over-reaction caused a great deal of damage. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 22, 2022 8:18:15 GMT
I can't wait for your explanation on how trying to erase our history by pulling down statues or the changing of street name is helping others. Interesting. You describe me as "woke", but don't think I've ever advocated either of those... You portray yourself as woke. You have to leap in with both feet when you think others are wrong. Look how you reacted when the swedish kid was pulled up for her BS. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 22, 2022 8:19:31 GMT
What Mags is wishing to deny it that on March 23rd 2020 it was looking at imminent total collapse with 14,000 deaths a day and well over a million cases wanting hospital treatment by April 20th if the exponential trippling per week was unchecked. Lockdown introduced that day made that check. You are attempting here is to create an implicit strawman. I never said that coved didn't exist or that covid was not a serious problem. I said we massively over-reacted and that over-reaction caused a great deal of damage. 👍👍 |
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Post by Steve on Oct 22, 2022 9:28:11 GMT
I assumed that you were pushing the line that we shouldn't have had compulsory lockdowns. So IF I was wrong on that apologies but it would help please if you could say what you suppose this massive over reaction was.
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Post by Orac on Oct 22, 2022 10:11:32 GMT
Steve. i'm so sorry. I have inadvertently edited your post rather than responding
I have left the part of your post i can intact. Not sure i can do more. My sincere apologies. It will not happen again
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Post by Orac on Oct 22, 2022 10:14:36 GMT
I assumed that you were pushing the line that we shouldn't have had compulsory lockdowns. So IF I was wrong on that apologies but it would help please if you could say what you suppose this massive over reaction was. Yet I made it clear in my post that I didn't object to the initial precautionary reaction to an unknown quantity - ie 'three weeks to flatten the curve' (or whatever) However, what followed next was probably the most hideously opportunist piece of politeering in recent history. An idiotic, dangerous and inappropriate standard of liability was manufactured and promulgated for political advantage, which significantly cornered the government into over-prioritising covid. We are now paying the price. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 22, 2022 10:30:54 GMT
...I said we massively over-reacted and that over-reaction caused a great deal of damage. I'm not sure that we did over-react. The government were dealing with an unknown threat. And sure, in hindsight we probably didn't need lockdown. And we probably didn't need such an extensive vaccination program. But we didn't know that at the time. What if the government had gone the other way, said: “Don't worry about it” and then 10 million had died? Would anyone want to make that call up front? No, me neither. So the government erred on the side of caution and the worst case scenario. And had they not, we might be having a very different conversation today. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 22, 2022 10:54:00 GMT
Steve. i'm so sorry. I have inadvertently edited your post rather than responding I have left the part of your post i can intact. Not sure i can do more. My sincere apologies. It will not happen again Thanks, will try to edit it back myself But please don't make yourself hostage to fortune, it can innocently happen again |
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Post by Steve on Oct 22, 2022 10:57:30 GMT
I assumed that you were pushing the line that we shouldn't have had compulsory lockdowns. So IF I was wrong on that apologies but it would help please if you could say what you suppose this massive over reaction was. Yet I made it clear in my post that I didn't object to the initial precautionary reaction to an unknown quantity - ie 'three weeks to flatten the curve' (or whatever) However, what followed next was probably the most hideously opportunist piece of politeering in recent history. An idiotic, dangerous and inappropriate standard of liability was manufactured and promulgated for political advantage, which significantly cornered the government into over-prioritising covid. We are now paying the price. Probably needs a thread of its own I just don't see it that way. Before the vaccines achieved a sizeable coverage (~ mid 2021) then every time lockdowns were relaxed we got explosions in cases, NHS overload and sadly deaths. There really wasn't any other way. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 22, 2022 10:59:49 GMT
What if the government had gone the other way, said: “Don't worry about it” and then 10 million had died? What if the government over-reacted, destroyed the economy and millions died or were made destitute by the resulting economic and social turmoil? Or (more realistically) put us into a debt that equates to the UK losing significant and long term autonomy. Which is the clear highest priority here? I don't have much of an issue with the government's initial precautionary reaction. However, by some mechanism, three weeks turned into multiple months. The damage was enormous. At least Boris had the sense and balls to call a halt to proceedings before the media gave him permission. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 22, 2022 11:43:24 GMT
So let's say another global pandemic next week. What are you going to do?
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Post by Orac on Oct 22, 2022 12:00:09 GMT
So let's say another global pandemic next week. What are you going to do? What would anyone do? There is no spare left in the tank |
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Post by colbops on Oct 22, 2022 13:19:21 GMT
There is no spare left in the tank I don't think that is true. I rather suspect that its more a case of failing to see what the tank(s) are. |
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