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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 20, 2023 21:00:54 GMT
It depends how humanely the pest is killed. What's a fox do that requires chasing it for miles before tearing it to bits If it's a pest, just shoot it and be done. Fox hunting was never about culling the population. To successfully cull a species you kill the breeding age females. Hunting tended to kill the elderly and infirm foxes who couldn't escape the hounds. It was always just about the sport and the spectacle. Good riddance to it. I agree, fox hunting was about fun, or 'sport' as some call it. Hunts used to say it was a way of controlling fox's and if it wasn't for the hunt the fox population would be out of control. However, that myth was busted when two hunts were caught red handed rearing fox cubs in captivity to ensure the hounds had something to rip to pieces and the hunt wasn't disappointed. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 20, 2023 21:04:43 GMT
The moral arguments are just pretend. We eat animals and foxes are wild animals that themselves hunt. Hunting foxes adds no extra morally. The whole point of banning fox hunting was to show dominance - to put a boot on another's neck and force them to bend to your will. It's a vote winner because a lot of people get off on it - especially, in recent times, left wing people I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 20, 2023 21:19:23 GMT
The moral arguments are just pretend. We eat animals and foxes are wild animals that themselves hunt. Hunting foxes adds no extra morally. The whole point of banning fox hunting was to show dominance - to put a boot on another's neck and force them to bend to your will. It's a vote winner because a lot of people get off on it - especially, in recent times, left wing people I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. I like your avatar, did you have it professionally designed? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 20, 2023 21:21:10 GMT
The moral arguments are just pretend. We eat animals and foxes are wild animals that themselves hunt. Hunting foxes adds no extra morally. The whole point of banning fox hunting was to show dominance - to put a boot on another's neck and force them to bend to your will. It's a vote winner because a lot of people get off on it - especially, in recent times, left wing people I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. I'd say there is a difference between confining an animal for purposes of amusement in killing it and hunting an animal in its natural environment. If foxing hunting meant foxes were confined to cages and dogs let in to fight them, then there would be a direct comparison between these. Fox hunting wasn't the exclusive preserve of the landed gentry - rural communities, working class etc etc got together to do it. The landed gentry were involved , but it certainly wasn't exclusive to them. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 20, 2023 21:22:35 GMT
I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. I'd say there is a difference between confining an animal for purposes of amusement in killing it and hunting an animal in its natural environment. If foxing hunting meant foxes were confined to cages and dogs let in to fight them, then there would be a direct comparison between these. Fox hunting wasn't the exclusive preserve of the landed gentry - rural communities, working class etc etc got together to do it. The landed gentry were involved , but it certainly wasn't exclusive to them.Is the correct answer. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 20, 2023 23:38:47 GMT
Killing pests is fine by me, but give them a humane death, it's not like they're rapey paedophiles.
A .223 is a far better way to control fox numbers than a pack of dogs, horses and charging across people's gardens.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 20, 2023 23:50:15 GMT
I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. I like your avatar, did you have it professionally designed? Not exactly. I'm not keen on the film as it happens but, well it's kind of a long story, lol. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 20, 2023 23:53:58 GMT
Perhaps you can outline the story in one of your "where is everyone?" late night posts? It's a good avatar and worthy of an explanation (if there is one)
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 21, 2023 0:00:16 GMT
I disagree, the point of banning fox hunting was because blood sports, most blood sports were banned years ago. The only reason fox hunting survived where cock fighting, dog fighting and bear baiting were banned is because fox hunting was the preserve of the landed gentry. I'd say there is a difference between confining an animal for purposes of amusement in killing it and hunting an animal in its natural environment. If foxing hunting meant foxes were confined to cages and dogs let in to fight them, then there would be a direct comparison between these. Fox hunting wasn't the exclusive preserve of the landed gentry - rural communities, working class etc etc got together to do it. The landed gentry were involved , but it certainly wasn't exclusive to them. No Mags, you're wrong. When it comes to foxhunting it is the landed gentry the wealthy who are the hunt owners. Horses and hounds cost a fortune to keep, however I agree that many working class people rely or relied on the hunt. Horses like hounds need daily excercise and they all need mucking out. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 21, 2023 0:15:36 GMT
Red, you are saying I'm wrong and partially describing how I'm not wrong. Hunts were a social activity and weren't at all exclusive to the landed gentry. My sister became involved - and I assure you, my family is not gentry. I could have myself become involved through my sister if it were not for the endless piano and elocution lessons father insisted on.
Kidding aside - it was more about a way of life and animals, than being a member of the upper crust.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 21, 2023 11:08:14 GMT
Clean boot (bloodhounds and a fell runner) is a social activity.
Fox hunting is about seeing a fox get ripped apart by hounds.
They're bred to be killed.
They've chucked fox cubs to the hounds just to see them die.
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