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Post by Vinny on Mar 12, 2023 8:48:57 GMT
We're out of the Common Agricultural Policy, they no longer receive agricultural subsidies. Has Brexit become the final straw for fox hunting in the UK?
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Post by walterpaisley on Mar 12, 2023 9:35:31 GMT
If that pans out, it'd be the first bonus I've come across.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 10:08:16 GMT
We're out of the Common Agricultural Policy, they no longer receive agricultural subsidies. Has Brexit become the final straw for fox hunting in the UK? Perhaps you could explain how that works, connecting the dots for the ignorant, like me! |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 12, 2023 10:34:36 GMT
Right, fox hunting is primarily done by farmers.
I know a few who are into it.
The farmers with the hunts claimed agricultural subsidies based on how much land they had, and used that money to subsidise hunting.
Post Brexit, agricultural subsidies have decreased dramatically.
Farmers who are involved in hunting aren't getting as much money from the state.
Large packs of dogs require large amounts of food and staff to look after them, also, the horses require staff.
Money that normal farming isn't getting the revenue to support.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 16:29:46 GMT
Right, fox hunting is primarily done by farmers. I know a few who are into it. The farmers with the hunts claimed agricultural subsidies based on how much land they had, and used that money to subsidise hunting. Post Brexit, agricultural subsidies have decreased dramatically. Farmers who are involved in hunting aren't getting as much money from the state. Large packs of dogs require large amounts of food and staff to look after them, also, the horses require staff. Money that normal farming isn't getting the revenue to support. Thanks, Vinny. So those sly old foxes will be laughing all the way to the chicken coop. I like foxes, so that's a Brexit Brucie bonus.  |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 12, 2023 16:37:38 GMT
It tends to be stoats or weasels who get into chicken coops.
Foxes do an alright job of eating stoats and weasels and rats too.
Occasionally it can be necessary to shoot them, but in most cases its wise to leave alone.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2023 18:13:25 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000
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Post by Toreador on Mar 13, 2023 18:30:50 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 It was, but it still happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 18:36:16 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 Yes, we kill them with cars, now. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2023 18:39:19 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 It was, but it still happens. Not where I am  |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 13, 2023 18:45:55 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 Yes, we kill them with cars, now. We always killed more with cars and lorries, same with hares for which coursing was banned. Now I'm not a lover of wilfully killing animals but when you put some perspective on it, then it becomes interesting. Go to hunt country and you'll see someof the most beatiful countrtyside in Britain, countryside that successfully supports all manor of creatures, from magnificent birds of prey that kill far more small animals than man ever could, right down to horse flies that could lose you an arm of a bite goes untreated. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 13, 2023 18:49:31 GMT
It was, but it still happens. Not where I am That's becos they is frightened of you, they know you've got the dustbin raiding foxes organised for battle. I used to feed them when I worked in Kingston....that's on Thames, not on Hull. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 13, 2023 19:00:14 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 Yes, we kill them with cars, now. Being a townie, I can only go on what I see squashed at the roadside, and what I’m told by country dwelling friends. I’ve noticed more flattened foxes over the past few years than say in the early 2000’s. I’m told that there are more foxes now because they’re not being chased and hunted to keep their numbers down in rural areas. In town — specifically around N16 — there are plenty of large foxes roaming gardens, parks and streets, that are unafraid of people. The problem for us is the smelly mess they leave in gardens, and the way they rip rubbish bags open and distribute the contents all over gardens and streets. I’m told that they’ve moved into town because their numbers are now too great in country areas. We’re not allowed to tackle any fox problem in town, and councils take no notice of complaints. Sometimes, when clearing up theiR mess, I feel I’d willingly support a Hackney Hunt. I understand the anti hunt feelings, but we don’t ban killing other creatures when they’re for food or become a pest (and town foxes are). So I don’t understand why it’s OK to fish, shoot rabbits, pigeons, ducks, deer, geese, and go ferreting, but ban a useful pastime just because some people enjoy it… |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 19:08:18 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 It was officially banned in 2004, but carried on illegally under the disguise of 'trail hunting'. I have from time to time witnessed terriermen out and about on quad bikes, terrier boxes on them, one dog per box. I've witnessed illegal fox hunting taking place. Subsidies from the taxpayer to the farmers involved helped illegal hunting carry on. Now the subsidy system is different, the farmers aren't getting what they want to continue paying for large packs of dogs, horses etc. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 13, 2023 19:14:17 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong, but Hunting Foxes with hounds was banned in the UK back in the early 2,000 It was officially banned in 2004, but carried on illegally under the disguise of 'trail hunting'. I have from time to time witnessed terriermen out and about on quad bikes, terrier boxes on them, one dog per box. I've witnessed illegal fox hunting taking place. Subsidies from the taxpayer to the farmers involved helped illegal hunting carry on. Now the subsidy system is different, the farmers aren't getting what they want to continue paying for large packs of dogs, horses etc. Thanks for the explanation , we don't see Hounds and Horses galloping down the Finchley Road very often |
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