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Post by Orac on Apr 12, 2023 13:07:10 GMT
your nation doesn't exist but you are all in the same gang of nationsI can't see that marketing slogan withstanding much adversity I’m not sure that our government claims that our nation doesn’t exist neither do they refer to gangs of nations . I felt I gave you the receipts for that earlier in the conversation. An interesting question that pops out this contradiction - if our own culture needs to disassembled and rolled over, what are we defending in a war with a significant power? Nato? |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 12, 2023 13:10:06 GMT
I’m not sure that our government claims that our nation doesn’t exist neither do they refer to gangs of nations . I felt I gave you the receipts for that earlier in the conversation. An interesting question that ops out this contradiction - if our own culture needs to disassembled and rolled over, what are we defending in a war with a significant power? Nato? I don’t know. I merely claimed that we are a member of a gang that needed to be more powerful than rival gangs . None of this has much to do with culture or internal national identity . |
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Post by Orac on Apr 12, 2023 13:28:53 GMT
I felt I gave you the receipts for that earlier in the conversation. An interesting question that ops out this contradiction - if our own culture needs to disassembled and rolled over, what are we defending in a war with a significant power? Nato? I don’t know. I merely claimed that we are a member of a gang that needed to be more powerful than rival gangs . None of this has much to do with culture or internal national identity . Pursuing a major war, while telling the population that their culture needs to be destroyed / over-run? I don't think this combination has been tested in the field before |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 12, 2023 13:30:36 GMT
I don’t know. I merely claimed that we are a member of a gang that needed to be more powerful than rival gangs . None of this has much to do with culture or internal national identity . Pursuing a major war, while telling the population that their culture needs to be destroyed / over-run? I don't think this combination has been tested in the field before Doesn’t refute my point that we are in a gang that needs to prevail over rival gangs. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 12, 2023 15:59:07 GMT
NATO didn't start the war, it's simply helping a victim.
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Post by Orac on Apr 12, 2023 18:59:32 GMT
Pursuing a major war, while telling the population that their culture needs to be destroyed / over-run? I don't think this combination has been tested in the field before Doesn’t refute my point that we are in a gang that needs to prevail over rival gangs. Sure. The 'anybody but us' gang needs to go to war to force its own over-run and replacement on others. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 12, 2023 23:21:31 GMT
If Russia prevails over Ukraine , the US withdraws from challenging China and the consequences are that the East becomes dominant over the West. How exactly will you benefit? American Imperialism has always used ‘Project Fear’ and their MSM to exaggerate the Chinese/Russian threat … they did it with the false dossier on Iraqi WMD …which Religious Extremist Tony Blair and George Bush promoted. TB wasn’t calling the shots in that Agenda Project. By getting into detente with Russia and China … I would be in an alliance that provides cheap energy/resources helping businesses survive , and taps into the biggest industrial powerhouse on the Planet. China. Better quality goods at reasonable prices can only benefit our Economy and People. BLM and WOKE Millennials have f. America … it’s a fading force … an Empire that lost the plot. Chinese military expansionism was largely driven by American hostile rhetoric …. It’s a fading force that beats it’s chest .. but hasn’t the economy to play at Empire building anymore. Taiwan conflict was mainly about US NAVY obsession to stop Chinese subs free access to Pacific. Biden and his Soros Posse don’t respect UK people or our industry .. or our Monarchy … the only thing holding our dishevelled Democracy together. We get more respect and a better ‘dealing atmosphere’ with the Chinese …. but we need to do a serious u-turn to build any sort of respect and mutual understanding with Russia now .. …after the DETENTE DISASTER of the last 16 months. Get the war-mongering Tories OUT … No.1 priority. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 12, 2023 23:32:06 GMT
Doesn’t refute my point that we are in a gang that needs to prevail over rival gangs. Sure. The 'anybody but us' gang needs to go to war to force its own over-run and replacement on others. Nope, the gang that kicked other gangs’ butts needs to keep the other gangs from kicking its butt. I suspect China and co doesn’t do ‘ let bygones be bygones’. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 13, 2023 8:20:30 GMT
If Russia prevails over Ukraine , the US withdraws from challenging China and the consequences are that the East becomes dominant over the West. How exactly will you benefit? American Imperialism has always used ‘Project Fear’ and their MSM to exaggerate the Chinese/Russian threat … they did it with the false dossier on Iraqi WMD …which Religious Extremist Tony Blair and George Bush promoted. TB wasn’t calling the shots in that Agenda Project. By getting into detente with Russia and China … I would be in an alliance that provides cheap energy/resources helping businesses survive , and taps into the biggest industrial powerhouse on the Planet. China. Better quality goods at reasonable prices can only benefit our Economy and People. BLM and WOKE Millennials have f. America … it’s a fading force … an Empire that lost the plot. Chinese military expansionism was largely driven by American hostile rhetoric …. It’s a fading force that beats it’s chest .. but hasn’t the economy to play at Empire building anymore. Taiwan conflict was mainly about US NAVY obsession to stop Chinese subs free access to Pacific. Biden and his Soros Posse don’t respect UK people or our industry .. or our Monarchy … the only thing holding our dishevelled Democracy together. We get more respect and a better ‘dealing atmosphere’ with the Chinese …. but we need to do a serious u-turn to build any sort of respect and mutual understanding with Russia now .. …after the DETENTE DISASTER of the last 16 months. Get the war-mongering Tories OUT … No.1 priority. Word salad. China seeks world hegemony and when it achieves it ,the West will decline into a new third world . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 14, 2023 13:10:59 GMT
American Imperialism has always used ‘Project Fear’ and their MSM to exaggerate the Chinese/Russian threat … they did it with the false dossier on Iraqi WMD …which Religious Extremist Tony Blair and George Bush promoted. TB wasn’t calling the shots in that Agenda Project. By getting into detente with Russia and China … I would be in an alliance that provides cheap energy/resources helping businesses survive , and taps into the biggest industrial powerhouse on the Planet. China. Better quality goods at reasonable prices can only benefit our Economy and People. BLM and WOKE Millennials have f. America … it’s a fading force … an Empire that lost the plot. Chinese military expansionism was largely driven by American hostile rhetoric …. It’s a fading force that beats it’s chest .. but hasn’t the economy to play at Empire building anymore. Taiwan conflict was mainly about US NAVY obsession to stop Chinese subs free access to Pacific. Biden and his Soros Posse don’t respect UK people or our industry .. or our Monarchy … the only thing holding our dishevelled Democracy together. We get more respect and a better ‘dealing atmosphere’ with the Chinese …. but we need to do a serious u-turn to build any sort of respect and mutual understanding with Russia now .. …after the DETENTE DISASTER of the last 16 months. Get the war-mongering Tories OUT … No.1 priority. Word salad. China seeks world hegemony and when it achieves it ,the West will decline into a new third world . I think it would end up like Greece, a country of museums and past greatness. Egypt is a similar place.
Third world was where the Brits + US repressed development on purpose to keep for slave labour. I don't think the Chinese would do such a thing (robots will do the manual work in future) . I think what they are building is an equitable system. It would make us poorer unless we pulled our fingers out and worked as hard as the Victorians. That would be a far more authoritarian society, with workhouses for the slackers.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 14, 2023 22:10:19 GMT
Most Empires can’t accept when their glory days are over … Americans were so ‘pumped’ they were ‘World Beaters’ … they forgot to be polite and humble and modest about their achievements … and share the wealth with socialist responsibility.
Now the Biden/BLM/WOKE madness plague has gripped America …indoctrinating the young to be useless as a workforce.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Apr 14, 2023 22:56:57 GMT
Democrats really lost it these last 6 years being led by the Soros Posse over a cliff.
Confirmation here why America will never be returning to it’s former glory anytime soon.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2023 13:27:02 GMT
Most Empires can’t accept when their glory days are over … Americans were so ‘pumped’ they were ‘World Beaters’ … they forgot to be polite and humble and modest about their achievements … and share the wealth with socialist responsibility. Now the Biden/BLM/WOKE madness plague has gripped America …indoctrinating the young to be useless as a workforce. I'll reply to that video with a video curated from my viewing history which I think you would find interesting. It's a story about a man who did s business course at the LSE. Recall me saying the LSE is known as a world leader in Marxist economics.
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Post by Orac on Apr 15, 2023 13:50:49 GMT
I don't think the problem is a lack of politeness or humility
I think they have the same problem we have. The masculine values of doing something new and making a mark were replaced with the feminine values of networking and keeping everyone on-side.
We are reaching the destructive zenith where the imbalance makes sustaining or bettering our lifestyle difficult
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Apr 15, 2023 14:19:43 GMT
I don't think the problem is a lack of politeness or humility I think they have the same problem we have. The masculine values of doing something new and making a mark were replaced with the feminine values of networking and keeping everyone on-side. We are reaching the destructive zenith where the imbalance makes sustaining or bettering our lifestyle difficult If your father was a postman you would feel pretty humble. See the video interview. It's kind of like one of those life stories you could make into a film.
Frank Whittle's father was a simple machinist in a machine workshop - like good with his hands. He was humble.
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