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Post by Ripley on Mar 2, 2023 23:32:11 GMT
I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. Him having to pay for NHS care would have been seen has a foreign national and whould have to pay upfront like all foreign nationals like all foreign nationals do. It was a law brought in a few yrs ago.British ex pats arent charged It would make sense to charge someone an upfront fee to obtain NHS coverage, though not all foreign nationals are equally foreign. This one had a British parent and grandparents. At any rate, no-one is complaining about the fee. Regarding returning ex pats, though they may have been absent and not contributing for a while, they also haven't been burdening the system. I don't understand why any ex pat would come home - especially from France! - just to use the much slower, much less efficient, much less accommodating, much more frustrating NHS.
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 23:38:39 GMT
Him having to pay for NHS care would have been seen has a foreign national and whould have to pay upfront like all foreign nationals like all foreign nationals do. It was a law brought in a few yrs ago.British ex pats arent charged It would make sense to charge someone an upfront fee to obtain NHS coverage, though not all foreign nationals are equally foreign. This one had a British parent and grandparents. At any rate, no-one is complaining about the fee. Regarding returning ex pats, though they may have been absent and not contributing for a while, they also haven't been burdening the system. I don't understand why any ex pat would come home - especially from France! - just to use the much slower, much less efficient, much less accommodating, much more frustrating NHS. Neither do I but they do
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Post by Toreador on Mar 3, 2023 5:52:37 GMT
Him having to pay for NHS care would have been seen has a foreign national and whould have to pay upfront like all foreign nationals like all foreign nationals do. It was a law brought in a few yrs ago.British ex pats arent charged It would make sense to charge someone an upfront fee to obtain NHS coverage, though not all foreign nationals are equally foreign. This one had a British parent and grandparents. At any rate, no-one is complaining about the fee. Regarding returning ex pats, though they may have been absent and not contributing for a while, they also haven't been burdening the system. I don't understand why any ex pat would come home - especially from France! - just to use the much slower, much less efficient, much less accommodating, much more frustrating NHS. The guy was not seen as a foreign national he was seen as a British citizen who had not made NHS contributions, once again TTL has got it hopelessly wrong. I lived in France for 6 years where they have a two tier system with natioal health service like our own which covered for chronic ailments like cancer; any ailment such as a cold or injury was dealt with by way of private health insurance; I understand that the private insurance is now run by the government rather than private insurance companies. Private health treatment was normally carried out by a private hospital like the Polyclinique.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2023 15:21:50 GMT
Still in denial of the death cert stats and the excess mortality stats then? It's all coming out in the WhatsApp how we were all manipulated, and Boris had it right first time. Pity he lost his bottle and helped Rishi trash the economy.
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Post by see2 on Mar 4, 2023 10:12:13 GMT
Still in denial of the death cert stats and the excess mortality stats then? It's all coming out in the WhatsApp how we were all manipulated, and Boris had it right first time. Pity he lost his bottle and helped Rishi trash the economy. What about the fact that Boris ignored the warning 11 months before the pandemic struck that Pandemic emergency stocks were out of date and needed to be replaced, and did nothing about it? And his first month into the Pandemic when he followed a de facto Herd Immunity approach in doing nothing when some other countries had started to address the problem?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
It's all coming out in the WhatsApp how we were all manipulated, and Boris had it right first time. Pity he lost his bottle and helped Rishi trash the economy. What about the fact that Boris ignored the warning 11 months before the pandemic struck that Pandemic emergency stocks were out of date and needed to be replaced, and did nothing about it? The PM does not spend his days buying PPE for the NHS - there is a whole department of the NHS whose job that is, with a CEO currently on over £150k
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2023 12:41:41 GMT
Some posters will argue that Night is day or that black is white ... but the very simple fact is that our NHS always deteriorates under a Tory government, and improves under a Labour government, a FACT that is indisputable.
The last time Labour inherited a run down NHS, it took several years to turn it around, but they did turn it around.
The present deterioration of our most cherished public service began well before anyone had ever heard of Covid19
In 2010 a GP appointment was obtainable in two or three days, now its two or three weeks
Who would have ever believed that it could regularly take well over an hour for an ambulance to arrive after dialing 999 to report a suspected heart attack.
THe excusers for this government can come up with whatever Bull Shit and excuses they want, but the state of our NHS is totally unacceptable, and the Tories will be gone at the next election.
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Post by see2 on Mar 4, 2023 18:19:33 GMT
What about the fact that Boris ignored the warning 11 months before the pandemic struck that Pandemic emergency stocks were out of date and needed to be replaced, and did nothing about it? The PM does not spend his days buying PPE for the NHS - there is a whole department of the NHS whose job that is, with a CEO currently on over £150k Always looking for excuses LOL. The government was warned, the government should have done something about it.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 4, 2023 18:29:14 GMT
Some posters will argue that Night is day or that black is white ... but the very simple fact is that our NHS always deteriorates under a Tory government, and improves under a Labour government, a FACT that is indisputable. The last time Labour inherited a run down NHS, it took several years to turn it around, but they did turn it around. The present deterioration of our most cherished public service began well before anyone had ever heard of Covid19 In 2010 a GP appointment was obtainable in two or three days, now its two or three weeks Who would have ever believed that it could regularly take well over an hour for an ambulance to arrive after dialing 999 to report a suspected heart attack. THe excusers for this government can come up with whatever Bull Shit and excuses they want, but the state of our NHS is totally unacceptable, and the Tories will be gone at the next election. But not as quickly as it does under a labour one...
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2023 18:39:37 GMT
The PM does not spend his days buying PPE for the NHS - there is a whole department of the NHS whose job that is, with a CEO currently on over £150k Always looking for excuses LOL. The government was warned, the government should have done something about it. So what are all these people employed in the NHS supposed to be doing if its up to the Government to manage their PPE stocks?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2023 18:44:14 GMT
New survey out today - those that supported the lockdowns in the UK should hold their heads in shame. 'Sweden's excess mortality during the pandemic is the lowest in the EU and the Nordics, according to new calculations from Statistics Sweden.'
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Post by jonksy on Mar 4, 2023 18:45:04 GMT
Always looking for excuses LOL. The government was warned, the government should have done something about it. So what are all these people employed in the NHS supposed to be doing if its up to the Government to manage their PPE stocks? You would think all minsister have nothing else todo than sit there and wip out the american express card when it is needed.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 4, 2023 18:49:06 GMT
New survey out today - those that supported the lockdowns in the UK should hold their heads in shame. 'Sweden's excess mortality during the pandemic is the lowest in the EU and the Nordics, according to new calculations from Statistics Sweden.' That ie exactly what Boris wanted to do until he was over ruled by these so called scaremongering experts.....I bet Sweden and the other Nordic countries do not have the baglog we do after covid curtesy of our excuse for a health service.
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Post by Steve on Mar 4, 2023 23:19:12 GMT
BS ^ Sweden (which did eventually realise the need for a lockdown) 2,320 deaths per million Norway 946 per million Denmark 1,419, Iceland 663 www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#main_table There's a reason Sweden did worse than comparable countries
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 4, 2023 23:36:11 GMT
BS ^ Sweden (which did eventually realise the need for a lockdown) 2,320 deaths per million Norway 946 per million Denmark 1,419, Iceland 663 www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#main_table There's a reason Sweden did worse than comparable countries Steve you know that's bollox. Deaths during coronavirus does not mean deaths due to coronavirus. As the enquiry will show, many deaths that during the pandemic were attributed to coronavirus, were unrelated to the virus.
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