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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 2, 2023 21:13:30 GMT
Picks an outlier, presents as evidence.
OK, on that basis we were twice as good as Peru.
I win!  If you've ever been to Peru you'd know that 'twice as good' as Peru really is a very low bar. And twice as bad as the Netherlands when you positioned density of population as an excuse is no 'outlier' it's a demolition of your argument Nope.
Because it doesn't take distribution nor indeed dozens of other factors into account.
We aren't comparing like for like, which is a demolition of your argument.
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 22:15:37 GMT
You're the one that raised density as a defence for Boris's bumbling outcomes. Now it seems you think it was so wrong to actually point out it was a bollocks defence
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 22:20:04 GMT
Free health care Is a term used losely to describe the NHS. Hope I dididn't afend you by asking you if you have a problem with the long term suck/unemployed having Nhs health care I ask because normaly my exoerience of people who highlight that the Nhs is oaud for by taxes on this Board begrudge tax payers money going on si called scrioungers has the ling term sick and unemployed and immigrants. Sorry I blanketed you with the usal syspects I have no issues with people using the NHS be they long term ill or unemployed...my heart goes out to these people who for the most part would surely exchange their predicaments in a heartbeat if your could.
I think maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm all for a universal healthcare system just not the UK model. In soundbite parlance it's not fit for purpose and certainly not value for money.
My wife told me that there was a memo came round NHS Property Services today, to the effect that all their locations within Medway are to have a new phone system. There's nothing wrong with the current one but that's beside the point! Anyway, this phone system... one would think would be installed by BT or a similar professional telcoms installers...no....Medway Council are to install them via a council contractor. The memo went on to say that after the installation (no time frame given) another council contractor will be phoning all of the extensions at all the locations conducting a survey of where the phone is and who they are talking to and what department the respondent is in! One rather large issue there is that NHS Property Services only manages premises on behalf of NHS; there are hundreds of clinic rooms for example throughout the various locations which are "rented out" to various NHS practitioners; foot clinic one day blood the next or ADHT another day or indeed "rented out" by the hour (so to speak) depending upon type of clinic or the clinic's work load etc etc...in other words the occupant is random. So this company will be phoning up every extension and may or may not reach someone who probably runs various clinics at various locations on various days! Also, If the phone breaks down or there is a technical issue, whatever, instead of phoning the NHS Property Services very own IT/Telcoms help-line....you have to phone Medway council. I cannot fathom how this is an efficient use of time or money irrespective of the fact that they don't need new phones - most of the premises including electrical and communications were only refurbished within the last 5-6 years.
To be fair to the NHS, this type of waste is endemic to any Public Sector Department or Organisation. I can remember when we got to the end of the financial year in the MoD - there was a rush to spend any of the budget that had not been allocated because if you didnt spend it that amount would be removed from the following years budget. Hence any crackpot schemes were funded just to get rid of the money. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 22:32:05 GMT
That idiot budgeting practice (with the end of year idiot wasteful splurges it produces) is used widely in both public and private organisations (where I encountered it over and over). Not just the NHS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 22:34:01 GMT
And again you deflect.
Why not simply accept that you don't have a clue?
Whats defecting about pointing out the fact that Britain had a higher death rate then the rest of western europe and the G7 . cant you accept the truth Funny thing, statistics. Died within 28 days of a positive test is not equivalent to dying of Covid19. All deaths were from natural causes. There is not a great rise in mortality which shouts pandemic for the relevant years. There is a rise in mortality now, because the government over-reaction has mucked up the system with a capital F. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 22:45:42 GMT
 Still in denial of the death cert stats and the excess mortality stats then Bazzer? |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2023 22:53:20 GMT
Still in denial of the death cert stats and the excess mortality stats then Bazzer? Still in denial then that many deaths were avoidable and was caused by the lack of knowledge in the NHS....I posted a link to where the first 13 year old died because the coroner found that the pipe to aid her breathing had not been placed properly.. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 2, 2023 22:58:07 GMT
It isn't free! It's paid by the tax payer...! Everyone above a certain level pays National Insurance...in other words social and medical insurance premiums...if I crash my car I get free access to a mechanic based on my car insurance policy
Where do you get the idea the NHS is free?
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2023 22:59:03 GMT
Whats defecting about pointing out the fact that Britain had a higher death rate then the rest of western europe and the G7 . cant you accept the truth Funny thing, statistics. Died within 28 days of a positive test is not equivalent to dying of Covid19. All deaths were from natural causes. There is not a great rise in mortality which shouts pandemic for the relevant years. There is a rise in mortality now, because the government over-reaction has mucked up the system with a capital F. I read a report yesterday where the so called experts wanted every pet cat destroyed in the UK because it was thought that they could spread covid.....FFS....It was a total over reaction to nothing more than a poxy virus. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 23:03:33 GMT
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. I can't believe that - we keep getting told its the envy of the civilised world and half the population stand on their doorstep clapping it like demented Seals. We even had an Olympic Games extolling it as one of the great human advances of history.. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 2, 2023 23:05:01 GMT
I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. I can't believe that - we keep getting told its the envy of the civilised world and half the population stand on their doorstep clapping it like demented Seals. We even had an Olympic Games extolling it as one of the great human advances of history.. Are you calling me a liar? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 23:09:10 GMT
You're an idiot. I lived in France for 6 years, I was 68 when I moved. Prior to that I paid tax and NH contributions for 49 years and still pay tax on my pensions. Your every post shows you haven't a clue and are the fool. Its a shame you come back from france . Yeah we should have stayed, if only to miss an addle brained prat like you. I'd pisas off to bed if I were you, you have spelling and typing lessons tomorrow. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 23:11:23 GMT
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. Him having to pay for NHS care would have been seen has a foreign national and whould have to pay upfront like all foreign nationals like all foreign nationals do. It was a law brought in a few yrs ago.British ex pats arent charged |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 23:12:21 GMT
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. I've already told him that but he's well short of grey matter. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 23:13:31 GMT
I know I'm late to this conversation but thought it might interest you to know that I have a relative who was born outside the UK because one of his parents had emigrated. At the age of fifty-five, he decided to move to the UK where he had never paid anything into any system. He qualified for residency and citizenship because his grandparents were British. To obtain coverage under the NHS, he had to pay in, upfront. He happily paid in, but found the system so badly run that he later took out private insurance. NHS coverage was definitely not free to him. Him having to pay for NHS care would have been seen has a foreign national and whould have to pay upfront like all foreign nationals like all foreign nationals do. It was a law brought in a few yrs ago.British ex pats arent charged Go get an education ffs. |
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