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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 16:40:04 GMT
Total bollux. The NHS pays the host country for expat treatment for chronic diseases and people returning will normally have paid a stamp when they worked in Britain. It depends on how much he paid and how long he left for in some cases it can be 30yr plus they lived in a foreign country and still come back has health tourists Then a patient is liable to pay for all or part of the treatment but all too often the treatment is not charged. Go out to the continent and they'll often ask for your bank card before they'll deal with you |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 16:42:55 GMT
...so its hardly an issue then? I mean my wife works for NHS Property Services and flits between 4 clinics in the Medway towns, one being a clinic for children with special needs. To get an appointment for a child there takes rough 2-3 weeks so ex-pats don't figure in that equation I'm thinking. Likewise, getting a normal doctors appointment in the local GP is equally as bad and even then it's usually a phone call from a nurse, so again, I am trying to make sense of what your point is regarding ex-pats? My point Is point is even if ex pats who come to this country has health tourist even if its has low has 50.000 a year there a added strain on this countrys health care system . even them that have avoided paying tax contributione for years but return in there old age and receive free meical care. ffs stop yacking about something you know nothing about. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 17:10:30 GMT
...so its hardly an issue then? I mean my wife works for NHS Property Services and flits between 4 clinics in the Medway towns, one being a clinic for children with special needs. To get an appointment for a child there takes rough 2-3 weeks so ex-pats don't figure in that equation I'm thinking. Likewise, getting a normal doctors appointment in the local GP is equally as bad and even then it's usually a phone call from a nurse, so again, I am trying to make sense of what your point is regarding ex-pats? My point Is point is even if ex pats who come to this country has health tourist even if its has low has 50.000 a year there a added strain on this countrys health care system . even them that have avoided paying tax contributione for years but return in there old age and receive free meical care. ..I don't know...I'm sure you're right about the figure of 50,000 per year...I don't know...however even if that was right how does this factor into the systemic failure that is the NHS?
Surely conversations need to had on alternative modes of supply; whereby the options can be discussed without this mass media hysteria whenever private health provision is discussed... I mean how many nurses and doctors are going on strike in the private sector? Are they? I'm sure they're not so if not why not? Is that a more viable model? If the NHS was taken out of government hands would that be such a tragic event? Surely that would free up a mass of resources and be one less political football to kicked around and picked apart. Why is it so difficult for politicians to contemplate?
Quick edit: for no reason that I can think of but consider this in terms of Government spending on the NHS and the taxpayer...This was from the BBC in 2020 so a couple years out of date admittedly; "Estimates published last year put the total cost of outstanding compensation claims at £83bn. NHS England's total budget in 2018-19 was £129bn" As far as I know Med-Mal insurance is not purchased by the NHS so this cost will fall on the shoulders of the tax-payer. Private hospitals have to purchase med-mal to protect their balance sheets and will undergo stringent risk analysis as part of the insurance purchase process.
The tax payer funds the NHS so one has to ask are they getting value for their money?
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 17:26:00 GMT
My point Is point is even if ex pats who come to this country has health tourist even if its has low has 50.000 a year there a added strain on this countrys health care system . even them that have avoided paying tax contributione for years but return in there old age and receive free meical care. ..I don't know...I'm sure you're right about the figure of 50,000 per year...I don't know...however even if that was right how does this factor into the systemic failure that is the NHS?
Surely conversations need to had on alternative modes of supply; whereby the options can be discussed without this mass media hysteria whenever private health provision is discussed... I mean how many nurses and doctors are going on strike in the private sector? Are they? I'm sure they're not so if not why not? Is that a more viable model? If the NHS was taken out of government hands would that be such a tragic event? Surely that would free up a mass of resources and be one less political football to kicked around and picked apart. Why is it so difficult for politicians to contemplate?
Quick edit: for no reason that I can think of but consider this in terms of Government spending on the NHS and the taxpayer...This was from the BBC in 2020 so a couple years out of date admittedly; "Estimates published last year put the total cost of outstanding compensation claims at £83bn. NHS England's total budget in 2018-19 was £129bn" As far as I know Med-Mal insurance is not purchased by the NHS so fall on the shoulders of the tax-payer. Private hospitals have to purchase med-mal to protect their balance sheets and will undergo stringent risk analysis as part of the insurance purchase process.
The tax payer funds the NHS so one has to ask are they getting value for their money?
Because medical care In this country since i think 1956 with the development of the NHS was formed was a free access to medical care to all uk residents. it would be a shame to lose such a privage to private health care. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 18:08:35 GMT
..I don't know...I'm sure you're right about the figure of 50,000 per year...I don't know...however even if that was right how does this factor into the systemic failure that is the NHS?
Surely conversations need to had on alternative modes of supply; whereby the options can be discussed without this mass media hysteria whenever private health provision is discussed... I mean how many nurses and doctors are going on strike in the private sector? Are they? I'm sure they're not so if not why not? Is that a more viable model? If the NHS was taken out of government hands would that be such a tragic event? Surely that would free up a mass of resources and be one less political football to kicked around and picked apart. Why is it so difficult for politicians to contemplate?
Quick edit: for no reason that I can think of but consider this in terms of Government spending on the NHS and the taxpayer...This was from the BBC in 2020 so a couple years out of date admittedly; "Estimates published last year put the total cost of outstanding compensation claims at £83bn. NHS England's total budget in 2018-19 was £129bn" As far as I know Med-Mal insurance is not purchased by the NHS so fall on the shoulders of the tax-payer. Private hospitals have to purchase med-mal to protect their balance sheets and will undergo stringent risk analysis as part of the insurance purchase process.
The tax payer funds the NHS so one has to ask are they getting value for their money?
Because medical care In this country since i think 1956 with the development of the NHS was formed was a free access to medical care to all uk residents. it would be a shame to lose such a privage to private health care. It isn't free! It's paid by the tax payer...! Everyone above a certain level pays National Insurance...in other words social and medical insurance premiums...if I crash my car I get free access to a mechanic based on my car insurance policy
Where do you get the idea the NHS is free?
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 18:09:16 GMT
..I don't know...I'm sure you're right about the figure of 50,000 per year...I don't know...however even if that was right how does this factor into the systemic failure that is the NHS?
Surely conversations need to had on alternative modes of supply; whereby the options can be discussed without this mass media hysteria whenever private health provision is discussed... I mean how many nurses and doctors are going on strike in the private sector? Are they? I'm sure they're not so if not why not? Is that a more viable model? If the NHS was taken out of government hands would that be such a tragic event? Surely that would free up a mass of resources and be one less political football to kicked around and picked apart. Why is it so difficult for politicians to contemplate?
Quick edit: for no reason that I can think of but consider this in terms of Government spending on the NHS and the taxpayer...This was from the BBC in 2020 so a couple years out of date admittedly; "Estimates published last year put the total cost of outstanding compensation claims at £83bn. NHS England's total budget in 2018-19 was £129bn" As far as I know Med-Mal insurance is not purchased by the NHS so fall on the shoulders of the tax-payer. Private hospitals have to purchase med-mal to protect their balance sheets and will undergo stringent risk analysis as part of the insurance purchase process.
The tax payer funds the NHS so one has to ask are they getting value for their money?
Because medical care In this country since i think 1956 with the development of the NHS was formed was a free access to medical care to all uk residents. it would be a shame to lose such a privage to private health care. FCOL how long have you lived in Britain? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 18:19:00 GMT
Because medical care In this country since i think 1956 with the development of the NHS was formed was a free access to medical care to all uk residents. it would be a shame to lose such a privage to private health care. It isn't free! It's paid by the tax payer...! Everyone above a certain level pays National Insurance...in other words social and medical insurance premiums...if I crash my car I get free access to a mechanic based on my car insurance policy
Where do you get the idea the NHS is free?
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 18:23:05 GMT
Because medical care In this country since i think 1956 with the development of the NHS was formed was a free access to medical care to all uk residents. it would be a shame to lose such a privage to private health care. FCOL how long have you lived in Britain? All my life and contributed all my Ni and tax . let me ask you fool how long bid you live in France and avoided paying contribrutions to this country but have full NHS care |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 18:35:38 GMT
It isn't free! It's paid by the tax payer...! Everyone above a certain level pays National Insurance...in other words social and medical insurance premiums...if I crash my car I get free access to a mechanic based on my car insurance policy
Where do you get the idea the NHS is free?
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. Sorry I don't understand your point...you said the NHS is free but it isn't free it's paid for by taxpayers to the tune of...what something like £170Bn per year?? And there are consumers of healthcare...so? I don't understand what you mean about "the long term sick/ unemployed" why should I have a problem with them?
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 18:43:36 GMT
FCOL how long have you lived in Britain? All my life and contributed all my Ni and tax . let me ask you fool how long bid you live in France and avoided paying contribrutions to this country but have full NHS care You're an idiot. I lived in France for 6 years, I was 68 when I moved. Prior to that I paid tax and NH contributions for 49 years and still pay tax on my pensions. Your every post shows you haven't a clue and are the fool. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 18:47:06 GMT
You know what I mean by free .Its certainy free to them who hasnt paid any contributions for a long time the long term sick/ unemployed hope you no problem to that. Sorry I don't understand your point...you said the NHS is free but it isn't free it's paid for by taxpayers to the tune of...what something like £170Bn per year? And there are consumers of healthcare...so? I don't understand what you mean about "the long term sick/ unemployed" why should I have a problem with them?
Free health care Is a term used losely to describe the NHS. Hope I dididn't afend you by asking you if you have a problem with the long term suck/unemployed having Nhs health care I ask because normaly my exoerience of people who highlight that the Nhs is paid for by taxes on this Board begrudge tax payers money going on so called scrioungers has the ling term sick and unemployed and immigrants. Sorry I blanketed you with the usal syspects |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 20:38:53 GMT
Nope At over twice the deaths per capita of the denser populated Netherlands we did badly especially after all that early warning from the WHO and the health system collapse in Italy. But hey ho Boris wanted his Brexit celebration, his holiday and of course that baby shower for Carrie and obviously they were all far more important. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#main_table
Picks an outlier, presents as evidence.
OK, on that basis we were twice as good as Peru.
I win!  If you've ever been to Peru you'd know that 'twice as good' as Peru really is a very low bar. And twice as bad as the Netherlands when you positioned density of population as an excuse is no 'outlier' it's a demolition of your argument |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 20:43:33 GMT
All my life and contributed all my Ni and tax . let me ask you fool how long bid you live in France and avoided paying contribrutions to this country but have full NHS care You're an idiot. I lived in France for 6 years, I was 68 when I moved. Prior to that I paid tax and NH contributions for 49 years and still pay tax on my pensions. Your every post shows you haven't a clue and are the fool. Its a shame you come back from france . |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 20:46:18 GMT
Its Good you have private health care and dont relie on the NHS like many private health care patients do Darenth Valley hospital killed my father basically through sheer neglect; he was an old school ex-military type... a dour old frugal Scot who trusted the system....my only regret was not insisting that he allowed me to get him private healthcare as well. Sorry to hear that but while Darenth Valley (often known locally as Death Valley) has a terrible reputation, ironically my father died there after a private hospital in the locality screwed up an operation on him leaving him with brain damage and other problems which caused his huge decline. Some years later Darenth Valley saved my mother's life. Neither the NHS not the Private Sector has a monopoly on good or poor health care. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 20:47:18 GMT
Sorry I don't understand your point...you said the NHS is free but it isn't free it's paid for by taxpayers to the tune of...what something like £170Bn per year? And there are consumers of healthcare...so? I don't understand what you mean about "the long term sick/ unemployed" why should I have a problem with them?
Free health care Is a term used losely to describe the NHS. Hope I dididn't afend you by asking you if you have a problem with the long term suck/unemployed having Nhs health care I ask because normaly my exoerience of people who highlight that the Nhs is oaud for by taxes on this Board begrudge tax payers money going on si called scrioungers has the ling term sick and unemployed and immigrants. Sorry I blanketed you with the usal syspects I have no issues with people using the NHS be they long term ill or unemployed...my heart goes out to these people who for the most part would surely exchange their predicaments in a heartbeat if your could.
I think maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm all for a universal healthcare system just not the UK model. In soundbite parlance it's not fit for purpose and certainly not value for money.
My wife told me that there was a memo came round NHS Property Services today, to the effect that all their locations within Medway are to have a new phone system. There's nothing wrong with the current one but that's beside the point! Anyway, this phone system... one would think would be installed by BT or a similar professional telcoms installers...no....Medway Council are to install them via a council contractor. The memo went on to say that after the installation (no time frame given) another council contractor will be phoning all of the extensions at all the locations conducting a survey of where the phone is and who they are talking to and what department the respondent is in! One rather large issue there is that NHS Property Services only manages premises on behalf of NHS; there are hundreds of clinic rooms for example throughout the various locations which are "rented out" to various NHS practitioners; foot clinic one day blood the next or ADHT another day or indeed "rented out" by the hour (so to speak) depending upon type of clinic or the clinic's work load etc etc...in other words the occupant is random. So this company will be phoning up every extension and may or may not reach someone who probably runs various clinics at various locations on various days! Also, If the phone breaks down or there is a technical issue, whatever, instead of phoning the NHS Property Services very own IT/Telcoms help-line....you have to phone Medway council. I cannot fathom how this is an efficient use of time or money irrespective of the fact that they don't need new phones - most of the premises including electrical and communications were only refurbished within the last 5-6 years.
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