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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 13:22:09 GMT
yeah...leave the middle class gesture posturing to those that like it and get out of game of engineering society to maintain power. UK government is now just an exercise in management of expectations. This is exactly why the swamp needs draining. Maybe...it just seems to me that people have lost sight of where government ends and self reliance starts...sure there are issues in that certain people cannot cope and need assistance which is fine but government simply cannot be all things to everyone; it should only be there in the most extreme of cases...if people can afford it then they should have to make provision for their own healthcare and those that have problems can receive assistance from the government. This is exactly what happens in Germany and their health system is perfectly adequate.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2023 13:24:23 GMT
This is exactly why the swamp needs draining. Maybe...it just seems to me that people have lost sight of where government ends and self reliance starts...sure there are issues in that certain people cannot cope and need assistance which is fine but government simply cannot be all things to everyone; it should only be there in the most extreme of cases...if people can afford it then they should have to make provision for their own healthcare and those that have problems can receive assistance from the government. This is exactly what happens in Germany and their health system is perfectly adequate.
What ever decistions a governt make of any persuation will not be liked by a 100% of the population...Brexit is a fine example. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 2, 2023 13:26:56 GMT
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 13:29:20 GMT
Old age... Not that old I hope. Anyway, no I have private health care for the whole family.
My son when he was a toddler had issues with his tonsils (constantly getting infected). When we were transitioning from Germany to the UK a few years back there was a 5 month period when the family was settling in in the UK and I was still in Germany closing things down and my son was again badly infected, my wife took him to the doctor who suggested that now he was old enough they should come out but there was something like a about a 4 month wait (something like that). Dan was very ill so I had a chat to our pediatrician in Hamburg who didn't understand what this waiting thing was and said that if possible I should bring him back over and he'd get us into the UKE as soon as we got back. I drove over to the UK on a Friday evening picked them up and on Sunday morning he was operated on. So since then I've not bothered with the NHS and have private care and we have a private GP.
Its Good you have private health care and dont relie on the NHS like many private health care patients do Darenth Valley hospital killed my father basically through sheer neglect; he was an old school ex-military type... a dour old frugal Scot who trusted the system....my only regret was not insisting that he allowed me to get him private healthcare as well. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 13:51:00 GMT
Its Good you have private health care and dont relie on the NHS like many private health care patients do Darenth Valley hospital killed my father basically through sheer neglect; he was an old school ex-military type... a dour old frugal Scot who trusted the system....my only regret was not insisting that he allowed me to get him private healthcare as well. Sorry to hear about the death of your father under NHS care unfortunately its not the perfect health care system we all hope for |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 14:44:51 GMT
Darenth Valley hospital killed my father basically through sheer neglect; he was an old school ex-military type... a dour old frugal Scot who trusted the system....my only regret was not insisting that he allowed me to get him private healthcare as well. Sorry to hear about the death of your father under NHS care unfortunately its not the perfect health care system we all hope for ...sure and no healthcare system ever will be perfect as there are always going to be problems that people could pick holes in. My issue is that there are alternatives; viable alternatives easily manageable for the the majority of UK citizens if only the NHS was not so heavily politicized by governments and marketed by governments as being the best option for the UK. I'm no expert, but am sure that people earning over...what...lets take an arbitrary figure of 50K a year.... could and should have to have privatecare with the corresponding tax being reduced for those that do and employers contributing towards the cost - as they do now through employer NI contributions. This is basically what happens in Germany and the system works extremely well. Those that can't afford it through whatever cause are given credits towards heathcare provision and the government gets out of the healthcare business. I have no idea why governments think they should be in the healthcare business in the first place? Anyway just my thoughts and as said I'm not anywhere near being an expert on the topic...my experience solely based on what I've seen in the UK and having been a consumer of European healthcare systems.
I mean in the Medway towns in Kent there is one hospital. A throw back to the 1800s where the old Naval hospital has been extended and extended to the limits of land available to it until its now a miasma of disconnected and disjointed units with the crumbling remains of the old dickensian naval building forming the mainstay of the hospital. Its been in special measures since god was an embryo!! Medway used to have 3 hospitals two were closed and now its just chaos to the point where there are lengthy queues to even get into the place because there are limited parking spaces and the surround areas are just small narrow congested streets with no general parking.
anyway....its an order of magnitude less than ideal.... |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 15:40:19 GMT
It's about time the NHS disappeared and people pay for their own healthcare and if they can't afford it they can receive assistance. Myself and my family having been consumers of health care in Germany for over 10 years...I mean...it's staggering to see just how backward the provision of it is in the UK. It's beyond a joke. There's just too much government in the UK I hope you not returned to Britain In your old age after several yrs away in a foreign country to receive free medical care like many ex pats do Total bollux. The NHS pays the host country for expat treatment for chronic diseases and people returning will normally have paid a stamp when they worked in Britain. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 15:54:39 GMT
I hope you not returned to Britain In your old age after several yrs away in a foreign country to receive free medical care like many ex pats do Total bollux. The NHS pays the host country for expat treatment for chronic diseases and people returning will normally have paid a stamp when they worked in Britain. It depends on how much he paid and how long he left for in some cases it can be 30yr plus they lived in a foreign country and still come back has health tourists |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 16:05:49 GMT
Total bollux. The NHS pays the host country for expat treatment for chronic diseases and people returning will normally have paid a stamp when they worked in Britain. It depends on how much he paid and how long he left for in some cases it can be 30yr plus they lived in a foreign country and still come back has health tourists I'm assuming this is a very small number? I mean I can't see why someone living abroad or working abroad would come back to the UK just for a doctor's appointment or an operation when they could get it locally? How does this factor into the picture as a whole? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 16:14:31 GMT
It depends on how much he paid and how long he left for in some cases it can be 30yr plus they lived in a foreign country and still come back has health tourists I'm assuming this is a very small number? I mean I can't see why someone living abroad or working abroad would come back to the UK just for a doctor's appointment or an operation when they could get it locally? How does this factor into the picture as a whole? Health tourism on the NHS as a whole is very small incuding foreign nationals but figures show that health tourism on the whole is carried out on ex pats returning for cataracts opps or knee replacments and such. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 16:16:07 GMT
You can’t just rock up from abroad and expect an operation . It involves visiting clinics and tests over a period of time then waiting for yonks until they forget about you . Then if you are lucky you might get on the waiting list list . If you lived abroad the amount of money you paid in air fares would be more than going private .
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 16:20:03 GMT
You can’t just rock up from abroad and expect an operation . It involves visiting clinics and tests over a period of time then waiting for yonks until they forget about you . Then if you are lucky you might get on the waiting list list . If you lived abroad the amount of money you paid in air fares would be more than going private . So tell me why ex pats do It are you saying they dont return for medical treatment on the NHS |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 16:22:06 GMT
I'm assuming this is a very small number? I mean I can't see why someone living abroad or working abroad would come back to the UK just for a doctor's appointment or an operation when they could get it locally? How does this factor into the picture as a whole? Health tourism on the NHS as a whole is very small incuding foreign nationals but fig6res show that health tourism on the whole is carried out on ex pats returnint for cataracts opps or knee replacments and such. ...so its hardly an issue then? I mean my wife works for NHS Property Services and flits between 4 clinics in the Medway towns, one being a clinic for children with special needs. To get an appointment for a child there takes rough 2-3 weeks so ex-pats don't figure in that equation I'm thinking. Likewise, getting a normal doctors appointment in the local GP is equally as bad and even then it's usually a phone call from a nurse, so again, I am trying to make sense of what your point is regarding ex-pats? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 16:23:45 GMT
You can’t just rock up from abroad and expect an operation . It involves visiting clinics and tests over a period of time then waiting for yonks until they forget about you . Then if you are lucky you might get on the waiting list list . If you lived abroad the amount of money you paid in air fares would be more than going private . So tell me why ex pats do It are you saying they dont return for medical treatment on the NHS I’m saying what I posted on the thread you replied to. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 16:37:32 GMT
Health tourism on the NHS as a whole is very small incuding foreign nationals but fig6res show that health tourism on the whole is carried out on ex pats returnint for cataracts opps or knee replacments and such. ...so its hardly an issue then? I mean my wife works for NHS Property Services and flits between 4 clinics in the Medway towns, one being a clinic for children with special needs. To get an appointment for a child there takes rough 2-3 weeks so ex-pats don't figure in that equation I'm thinking. Likewise, getting a normal doctors appointment in the local GP is equally as bad and even then it's usually a phone call from a nurse, so again, I am trying to make sense of what your point is regarding ex-pats? My point Is point is even if ex pats who come to this country has health tourist even if its has low has 50.000 a year there a added strain on this countrys health care system . even them that have avoided paying tax contributione for years but return in there old age and receive free meical care. |
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