|
|
Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2023 8:34:02 GMT
Yes it might be slightly more expensive and bureaucratic - but that is hardly a 'disaster'. pushing costs up for conusmers , scarcity of goods , uk economy being hammered , with even tory brexiters like gove admitting brexit hasnt gone according to plan and you say this isnt a disaster?
Thats not for you , nor me to judge. Brexit will be judged by the electorate at the next UKGE.
We have seen since 2016 brexiters displaying the same traits. Ignoring fact. Dismissing experts.Telling us about brexits jam tomorrow.
Eventually the public are going to run out of patience with the lame excuses. As I pointed out yesterday, to the vast majority Brexit is no longer an issue, people have moved on. People are far more concerned about inflation, energy supply, the state of the NHS, pensions etc - brexit is an irrelevance to the issues that matter. |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 3, 2023 8:41:10 GMT
This thread started as an England bashing exercise boasting that Scotland has offshore wind farms and there's a cable coming on shore in England. It turns out you didn't know what you were talking about when you started this thread and now you're thrashing around.
England has way more offshore wind farms than Scotland. Scotland is still reliant on nuclear power.
Scottish tidal projects which were intended to provide an operational turbine by 2013 are way behind schedule, another cock up by the devolved SNP morons.
If Scotland ever broke away, these fools who can't even provide a tidal electric turbine on time would be responsible for trade negotiations, currency creation, border and customs management, immigration management, agriculture, fisheries, forestry, driver and vehicle licence management, shipping, aviation, taxation, public expenditure, road repairs, hospitals, and full control of the regulatory environment of the hospitality industry.
They can't even run a bath and you want them to separate Scotland turn it into a sovereign country and run it without a hitch.
You're dreaming.
They're crap.
Anyone who thinks it would go well is crazy. Within two years there'd be an uprising and Scotland would be back in the UK.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2023 9:15:26 GMT
pushing costs up for conusmers , scarcity of goods , uk economy being hammered , with even tory brexiters like gove admitting brexit hasnt gone according to plan and you say this isnt a disaster?
Thats not for you , nor me to judge. Brexit will be judged by the electorate at the next UKGE.
We have seen since 2016 brexiters displaying the same traits. Ignoring fact. Dismissing experts.Telling us about brexits jam tomorrow.
Eventually the public are going to run out of patience with the lame excuses. As I pointed out yesterday, to the vast majority Brexit is no longer an issue, people have moved on. People are far more concerned about inflation, energy supply, the state of the NHS, pensions etc - brexit is an irrelevance to the issues that matter. Much of which is a consequence of brexit directly or indirectly .
Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds
5.2 per cent GDP shortfall ‘mostly’ down to Britain’s exit from EU, according to top think tank
Brexit is making cost of living crisis worse, new study claims
Brexit remains the biggest problem for UK-economy
According to an Ivalua survey commissioned by Coleman Parkes in August 2022, 80% of UK businesses clearly stated that Brexit had caused massive disruption to supply and supply chains over the past 12 months. Even higher – at 84% – were those who believed that the worst was yet to come.
Nearly a third of the companies reported a significant loss of turnover – mainly due to supply chain disruptions – of around 18%. In contrast, about two-thirds said that they were often fined for late delivery and often suffered significant damage to their image.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2023 9:16:25 GMT
This thread started as an England bashing exercise boasting that Scotland has offshore wind farms and there's a cable coming on shore in England. It turns out you didn't know what you were talking about when you started this thread and now you're thrashing around. ive yet to see anything that contradicts the op.
|
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 3, 2023 9:51:03 GMT
The original post was made in contempt of England. Here is a map of the National Grid:  It serves the entire country not just Scotland. We all help each other. British, not selfish. |
|
|
|
Post by om15 on Mar 3, 2023 9:59:15 GMT
The Independent and the Guardian are not impartial or learned sources of reference. They are overtly left wing propaganda newspapers that do not give unbiased information, they are simply publishing opinions to support a particular left leaning argument.
There is no merit in posting these links to support your position as the authors are just as partisan as you appear to be.
However if you choose to believe that it is the English rather than the Scots themselves that are responsible for the disintegration of health, education, transport, industry and welfare in Scotland then that is fine, but you might be wasting your time trying to convince the rest of us.
|
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2023 12:58:22 GMT
As I pointed out yesterday, to the vast majority Brexit is no longer an issue, people have moved on. People are far more concerned about inflation, energy supply, the state of the NHS, pensions etc - brexit is an irrelevance to the issues that matter. Much of which is a consequence of brexit directly or indirectly .
Brexit ‘largely to blame’ for £31bn loss to UK economy, study finds
5.2 per cent GDP shortfall ‘mostly’ down to Britain’s exit from EU, according to top think tank
Brexit is making cost of living crisis worse, new study claims
Brexit remains the biggest problem for UK-economy
According to an Ivalua survey commissioned by Coleman Parkes in August 2022, 80% of UK businesses clearly stated that Brexit had caused massive disruption to supply and supply chains over the past 12 months. Even higher – at 84% – were those who believed that the worst was yet to come.
Nearly a third of the companies reported a significant loss of turnover – mainly due to supply chain disruptions – of around 18%. In contrast, about two-thirds said that they were often fined for late delivery and often suffered significant damage to their image.
What pro-EU lobby groups think is immaterial - the public have moved on. |
|
|
|
Post by Red Rackham on Mar 4, 2023 16:35:28 GMT
The Yorkshire beach where £2.1bn cable carrying electricity from Scottish windfarms will come onshore
Landowners in East Yorkshire have complained of feeling "pressurised" over an undersea electricity “superhighway” from Scotland to England which will cross their land.
......they need our resources along with much else.....
I think it's only fair to point out Tam, that the majority of Scots don't want to leave either.  |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 5, 2023 9:56:06 GMT
The Hornsea 1 and 2 wind farms produce more electricity than all of Scotland's wind farms combined.
Maybe the reason for Scotland's cable coming onshore in England is so that the SNP cannot fuck up the project in the way they did with the Islay tidal project.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 10:12:33 GMT
The Independent and the Guardian are not impartial or learned sources of reference. They are overtly left wing propaganda newspapers that do not give unbiased information, they are simply publishing opinions to support a particular left leaning argument. There is no merit in posting these links to support your position as the authors are just as partisan as you appear to be. However if you choose to believe that it is the English rather than the Scots themselves that are responsible for the disintegration of health, education, transport, industry and welfare in Scotland then that is fine, but you might be wasting your time trying to convince the rest of us. What disintegration?
Our scottish nhs is superior to your semi prvate system , our education system is superior with even your royal family sending their children here to get educated. Our transport system is superior , with much of northern england only getting concrete roads decades after scotland was retarmacing the m74 .
Hamstrung by the shackles of devolution , we outperform england in many areas , so imagine how good things would be with full independence? I mean look at ireland , how much richer the irish are since leaving the disaster of anglo rule?
It really is a wonder why not one country that left westmisnter rule has not once asked to come back ? Cant think why. |
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 10:13:37 GMT
The Yorkshire beach where £2.1bn cable carrying electricity from Scottish windfarms will come onshore
Landowners in East Yorkshire have complained of feeling "pressurised" over an undersea electricity “superhighway” from Scotland to England which will cross their land.
......they need our resources along with much else.....
I think it's only fair to point out Tam, that the majority of Scots don't want to leave either. Not true mate.
Majority of scots voted to leave the uk in 2014.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 10:38:32 GMT
The Hornsea 1 and 2 wind farms produce more electricity than all of Scotland's wind farms combined. Maybe the reason for Scotland's cable coming onshore in England is so that the SNP cannot fuck up the project in the way they did with the Islay tidal project.  |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Mar 5, 2023 21:54:12 GMT
Fantasy.
Most Scots are unionists.
|
|
|
|
Post by happyjack on Mar 11, 2023 6:15:18 GMT
I think it's only fair to point out Tam, that the majority of Scots don't want to leave either. Not true mate.
Majority of scots voted to leave the uk in 2014.
No they didn’t. A significant minority of Scots (circa 1 million?) didn’t even get the chance to vote in the 2014 indyref because they were not resident in Scotland. I am sure that most of them had a view on the matter and were unhappy that they were denied the right to participate in such a crucial decision-making process that would/could have had a major material impact upon them. So, why weren’t they included in the referendum and how would they have voted? We will never know for sure but, much as with the decision to include 16 and 17 year olds in the process, I suspect that excluding non-resident Scots from the process was a bit of doctoring of the electorate by SNP ScotGov designed to improve the prospects of a YES vote. BTW - I don’t blame SNP ScotGov for this; rather I hold UK govt. accountable. They should have blocked this but, just like other aspects of the referendum process (including the independence favouring question on the ballot paper itself, of course), they were far too relaxed and cocksure about the outcome to take matters seriously until it was too late. www.democraticaudit.com/2014/09/15/scots-living-overseas-or-elsewhere-in-the-uk-should-have-been-given-the-right-to-vote-in-the-independence-referendum/ |
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:25:06 GMT
Not true mate.
Majority of scots voted to leave the uk in 2014.
No they didn’t. A significant minority of Scots (circa 1 million?) didn’t even get the chance to vote in the 2014 indyref because they were not resident in Scotland. yes they did. Scots born residents voted by a majority to leave .
The franchise as you well know was agreed by both the uk and scottish government beforehand.
|
|
