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Post by om15 on Mar 2, 2023 8:10:05 GMT
Tommo, you don't appear to be able to function cognitively when discussing Scottish matters.
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:11:04 GMT
Belgium is keeping your lights on too? Just shows how dependent you are on european nations , and makes you wonder why you voted for the disaster that was brexit.  We buy most of our imported energy from Norway who are not, and never have been, in the EU. They are european , and are in EFTA , and the single market. you are neither in the eu /efta or the single market , except of course the northern irish part of the yookay. 
The point is though little england is highly dependent on other countires , and always has been. Which is why of course leaving a massive trading bloc you were highly dependent on and its single market is and always will be a disaster for you.
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:17:21 GMT
Tommo, you don't appear to be able to function cognitively when discussing Scottish matters. How so.
Lets help om with the maths once again.
In 2016 , nuclear supplied 42.8 % of electricity in scotland . In your article , its now down to 30 %. Do you understnad that 42.8 is bigger than 30 , and that the trend is downwards?
There may be small dips and increases as you follow that graph downwards , but the trend is downwards with the last nuclear plant expected to close in 2028.
dearie dearie me om. Scotland is just one big mystery to you isnt it?
The Scottish Government’s opposition to nuclear means that once Torness closes, that will be the end of nuclear power in Scotland. It is in stark opposition to the approach of the UK Government, which is backing the installation of eight new nuclear reactors by the end of the next decade
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 8:18:34 GMT
We buy most of our imported energy from Norway who are not, and never have been, in the EU. They are european , and are in EFTA , and the single market. you are neither in the eu /efta or the single market , except of course the northern irish part of the yookay. Yet even though we are not in EFTA or the Single Market Norway has no problem selling to us - so what would be the benefit in joining? How is it a disaster? - give me evidence rather than rhetoric. Since 2016 the UK growth has matched growth in the EU, our unemployment is lower than most of the EU, Investment is still rolling in..specify what you mean by disaster. OK - I will admit that there was a shortage of cheap Tomatoes in February. Is that what you had in mind? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:35:26 GMT
They are european , and are in EFTA , and the single market. you are neither in the eu /efta or the single market , except of course the northern irish part of the yookay. Yet even though we are not in EFTA or the Single Market Norway has no problem selling to us - so what would be the benefit in joining? What utter rubbish.
You had to strike a new deal with norway after leaving the eu single market , and in the words of the norwegian prime minister....
conceding on Friday that there would be extra costs for businesses on both sides which had been used to trading with the UK when it was an EU member state.
Solberg said it was inevitable that trade would be “more bureaucratic and less dynamic” than pre-Brexit arrangements, with the costs yet to be calculated.
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:39:21 GMT
They are european , and are in EFTA , and the single market. you are neither in the eu /efta or the single market , except of course the northern irish part of the yookay. How is it a disaster? - give me evidence rather than rhetoric. Since 2016 the UK growth has matched growth in the EU, our unemployment is lower than most of the EU, Investment is still rolling in..specify what you mean by disaster. OK - I will admit that there was a shortage of cheap Tomatoes in February. Is that what you had in mind?
Brexit ‘a bunch of complete and total lies’, says ex-Tory donor Guy Hands on third anniversary of exit
The UK economy is now less open to trade than before Brexit. Trade openness – measured as the ratio of trade relative to gross domestic product – has fallen by 8 percentage points between 2019 and 2021, driven by a sharp fall in trade with the EU.
Brexit has damaged Britain’s competitiveness, and will make us poorer in the decade ahead
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 8:41:44 GMT
Yet even though we are not in EFTA or the Single Market Norway has no problem selling to us - so what would be the benefit in joining? What utter rubbish.
You had to strike a new deal with norway after leaving the eu single market , and in the words of the norwegian prime minister....
conceding on Friday that there would be extra costs for businesses on both sides which had been used to trading with the UK when it was an EU member state.
Solberg said it was inevitable that trade would be “more bureaucratic and less dynamic” than pre-Brexit arrangements, with the costs yet to be calculated.
We are still buying Norwegian Oil and Gas - there may be some extra costs and bureaucracy but that doesnt stop trade, if it did the US wouldn't be our single largets trading partner. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 8:43:35 GMT
How is it a disaster? - give me evidence rather than rhetoric. Since 2016 the UK growth has matched growth in the EU, our unemployment is lower than most of the EU, Investment is still rolling in..specify what you mean by disaster. OK - I will admit that there was a shortage of cheap Tomatoes in February. Is that what you had in mind?
Brexit ‘a bunch of complete and total lies’, says ex-Tory donor Guy Hands on third anniversary of exit
The UK economy is now less open to trade than before Brexit. Trade openness – measured as the ratio of trade relative to gross domestic product – has fallen by 8 percentage points between 2019 and 2021, driven by a sharp fall in trade with the EU.
Brexit has damaged Britain’s competitiveness, and will make us poorer in the decade ahead
People who wanted to remain in the EU not happy that we have left - well thats hardly surprising but it is not evidence of anything. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:51:01 GMT
What utter rubbish.
You had to strike a new deal with norway after leaving the eu single market , and in the words of the norwegian prime minister....
conceding on Friday that there would be extra costs for businesses on both sides which had been used to trading with the UK when it was an EU member state.
Solberg said it was inevitable that trade would be “more bureaucratic and less dynamic” than pre-Brexit arrangements, with the costs yet to be calculated.
We are still buying Norwegian Oil and Gas - there may be some extra costs and bureaucracy but that doesnt stop trade, if it did the US wouldn't be our single largets trading partner. no one said you arent. What is being said is clear , you can buy from whoever you want , but its harder , more bureauocratic and incurs greater cost which is bad for business and consumer alike due to brexit.
The us is the largest trading partner of many nations within the EU. Whats your point? The usa for example is ireland s largest single trading partner , but it also has the luxury of access to the single market and free trade with the eu , while the uk doesnt not.
Despite all this , the usa tells you new trade deals with little britian outside the EU isnt a priority.
Brexit supporters insisted that the 2016 Leave vote would open the way for a free trade agreement with the US, which would dwarf trade deals with countries such as Australia or New Zealand.
But President Joe Biden has made it clear that such a deal was not a priority and on the flight from London to New York, Truss admitted it was not on the agenda.
Her frank assessment ahead of a meeting with Biden in New York leaves a hole in the government’s post-Brexit trade strategy, a core part of Truss’s ambition to boost the UK’s growth rate.
A leaked UK government document in 2018 assumed a US trade deal might boost Britain’s gross domestic product by 0.2 per cent in the long term, compared with official forecasts suggesting Brexit would cut GDP by 4 per cent in the long term.
The idea is to trade freely with as many nations and blocs as you possibly can , not bum up one country and ignore the rest due to tory brexiter political dogma.
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Post by om15 on Mar 2, 2023 8:58:53 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 9:29:52 GMT
The only people I have seen waffling on about how the UK had an empire 100 years ago ( with much help from the Scots) is the people claiming that the English keep waffling on about us having an Empire 100 years ago. But what’s a lie when all roads lead Scot’s waffling on about independence? As for the leccy , of course we are going to buy our own energy .😉 You keep jumping on scottish threads bently to tell me you dont care about scotland
Aye ok bently
I don’t care but I do like to take the piss out of the one dimensional Scot Nats and their bullshit about the English . Och aye Tomas. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2023 9:38:57 GMT
You keep jumping on scottish threads bently to tell me you dont care about scotland
Aye ok bently
I don’t care but I do like to take the piss out of the one dimensional Scot Nats and their bullshit about the English . Och aye Tomas. On the brightside apart from Malta Scotland keeps England from being on the top of the list of most overcrowded country in Europe. Which also on the brightside the SNP is in the middle of fixing. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 2, 2023 9:43:07 GMT
We buy most of our imported energy from Norway who are not, and never have been, in the EU. They are european , and are in EFTA , and the single market. you are neither in the eu /efta or the single market , except of course the northern irish part of the yookay.
The point is though little england is highly dependent on other countires , and always has been. Which is why of course leaving a massive trading bloc you were highly dependent on and its single market is and always will be a disaster for you.
No, they're in the EEA agreement, which is not quite the same thing. They do not have full financial services participation, full agricultural or fisheries participation. Meanwhile, your argument about offshore wind was hot air. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 11:38:45 GMT
no one said you arent. What is being said is clear , you can buy from whoever you want , but its harder , more bureauocratic and incurs greater cost which is bad for business and consumer alike due to brexit. Yes it might be slightly more expensive and bureaucratic - but that is hardly a 'disaster'. The US became our largest trading partner with exactly the same barriers to trade as Norway has now - so where is the disaster? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2023 8:05:09 GMT
no one said you arent. What is being said is clear , you can buy from whoever you want , but its harder , more bureauocratic and incurs greater cost which is bad for business and consumer alike due to brexit. Yes it might be slightly more expensive and bureaucratic - but that is hardly a 'disaster'. pushing costs up for conusmers , scarcity of goods , uk economy being hammered , with even tory brexiters like gove admitting brexit hasnt gone according to plan and you say this isnt a disaster?
Thats not for you , nor me to judge. Brexit will be judged by the electorate at the next UKGE.
We have seen since 2016 brexiters displaying the same traits. Ignoring fact. Dismissing experts.Telling us about brexits jam tomorrow.
Eventually the public are going to run out of patience with the lame excuses.
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