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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 8:03:54 GMT
Read para 3 - NI is in the EU Single Market for goods alone.
Hence the people of NI cannot be EU citizens, have EU passports or have FoM in the EU - and the only time they come under ECJ jurisdiction is in relation to the implementation of the protocol, which as we have seen only covers the trade in goods. See my post above. You clearly dont understand the GFA in terms of citizenship and passports , which sunaks and johnsons protocols both endorse .
Do people in Northern Ireland have freedom of movement in EU?
Northern Ireland will remain in the single market for goods. The EU single market rests on 'four freedoms': free movement of goods, capital, services, and people. For example, there are no customs duties on goods moving between member states, and EU citizens are free to travel, work, and live in other EU countries.
You are getting the wrong end of the stick there - you are confusing the rights under the Common Travel Area with rights as a citizen of an EU member state. NI citizens have full freedom of movement between the UK and Ireland - in fact you have exactly the same rights. What they (and you) do not have is any right to live and work in the EU. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:04:33 GMT
Read para 3 - NI is in the EU Single Market for goods alone.
Hence the people of NI cannot be EU citizens, have EU passports or have FoM in the EU - and the only time they come under ECJ jurisdiction is in relation to the implementation of the protocol, which as we have seen only covers the trade in goods.
Sammy wilson. People trying to oversell sunaks deal , with spin over substance, but when you look at the substance , you see many of the tory claims are simply not true.....
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2023 8:05:04 GMT
How I knew that Thomas, was every headline before said latest statement of we are still in the EU were dodgy polls saying everyone had changed their minds. Blatantly obvious my dear Watson, it was going to be a political coup. Just like Sunak was never voted for by the Tory party as leader and was put in place against the voters wishes. Sheepy , you know my position , and its been clear down the years. Im just fed up listening to these tory muppets trying to sell a pig in a poke.
Exactly, now they will play to the SNP and the SNP will play the game exactly as expected and say what about Scotland. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:05:18 GMT
Not forgetting of course the freedom of movement clearly guaranteed in the GFA which means all migrants into the Republic of Ireland can cross freely into GB. I can't begin to imagine the smuggling of goods and more importantly people that will be going on. Thats what im trying to explain to my tory friend pacifico . |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:06:17 GMT
See my post above. You clearly dont understand the GFA in terms of citizenship and passports , which sunaks and johnsons protocols both endorse .
Do people in Northern Ireland have freedom of movement in EU?
Northern Ireland will remain in the single market for goods. The EU single market rests on 'four freedoms': free movement of goods, capital, services, and people. For example, there are no customs duties on goods moving between member states, and EU citizens are free to travel, work, and live in other EU countries.
You are getting the wrong end of the stick there - you are confusing the rights under the Common Travel Area with rights as a citizen of an EU member state. NI citizens have full freedom of movement between the UK and Ireland - in fact you have exactly the same rights. What they (and you) do not have is any right to live and work in the EU. im not getting the wrong end of any stick as the member oracle75 has also helped explain to you.............. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:07:49 GMT
Sheepy , you know my position , and its been clear down the years. Im just fed up listening to these tory muppets trying to sell a pig in a poke.
Exactly, now they will play to the SNP and the SNP will play the game exactly as expected and say what about Scotland. We want out the uk , and in the eu. You have to accept that premise even if you disagree with it , as i accept your postion but disagree with much of it too. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 8:09:41 GMT
You are getting the wrong end of the stick there - you are confusing the rights under the Common Travel Area with rights as a citizen of an EU member state. NI citizens have full freedom of movement between the UK and Ireland - in fact you have exactly the same rights. What they (and you) do not have is any right to live and work in the EU. im not getting the wrong end of any stick as the member oracle75 has also helped explain to you.............. Your own link to the Irish Government document points out that the right to FoM between Ireland and the UK is due to the Common Travel Area..not anything to do with the EU. If you want to go and live and work in Dublin you are perfectly at liberty to do so with no restriction - what you (or any other UK citizen) can not do is go and work in Berlin without a a visa. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 2, 2023 8:10:05 GMT
Exactly, now they will play to the SNP and the SNP will play the game exactly as expected and say what about Scotland. We want out the uk , and in the eu. You have to accept that premise even if you disagree with it , as i accept your postion but disagree with much of it too. I am just telling you how it works, a little insight, what you do with it, is your own choice. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 2, 2023 8:26:44 GMT
im not getting the wrong end of any stick as the member oracle75 has also helped explain to you.............. Your own link to the Irish Government document points out that the right to FoM between Ireland and the UK is due to the Common Travel Area..not anything to do with the EU. If you want to go and live and work in Dublin you are perfectly at liberty to do so with no restriction - what you (or any other UK citizen) can not do is go and work in Berlin without a a visa.
Citizens of the EEA (the EU, plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein), Switzerland can live and work in Ireland without an employment permit.
hope this bit helps further pacifico....
EU and EEA citizens travelling to Great Britain from Ireland
If you are a citizen of the EEA (the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein) or Switzerland, you may be asked for identification when you enter Great Britain from Ireland. You are not asked to show identification if you are entering Northern Ireland from Ireland.
Northern ireland still has freedom of movement while the rUK does not. Hope that clears things up for you mate.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 2, 2023 9:41:09 GMT
I still have never understood this lane business.
If the UK wants to sell goods to its customers in NI, which largely involves large companies like M&S etc, or (note all those T's and C's that say not available in NI) then send them from a UK port to a NI port.
If the UK is trading with an IRISH company, then send them from say Liverpool to Waterford.
Why does everything have to go through NI if it is destined for Ireland??
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 11:44:26 GMT
Your own link to the Irish Government document points out that the right to FoM between Ireland and the UK is due to the Common Travel Area..not anything to do with the EU. If you want to go and live and work in Dublin you are perfectly at liberty to do so with no restriction - what you (or any other UK citizen) can not do is go and work in Berlin without a a visa. Citizens of the EEA (the EU, plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein), Switzerland can live and work in Ireland without an employment permit.
hope this bit helps further pacifico.... EU and EEA citizens travelling to Great Britain from Ireland
If you are a citizen of the EEA (the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein) or Switzerland, you may be asked for identification when you enter Great Britain from Ireland. You are not asked to show identification if you are entering Northern Ireland from Ireland.
Northern ireland still has freedom of movement while the rUK does not. Hope that clears things up for you mate. LOL - your own link tells you that the FoM is due to the Common Travel Area, not the Protocol.  I suggest you move on mate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 11:46:36 GMT
I still have never understood this lane business. If the UK wants to sell goods to its customers in NI, which largely involves large companies like M&S etc, or (note all those T's and C's that say not available in NI) then send them from a UK port to a NI port. If the UK is trading with an IRISH company, then send them from say Liverpool to Waterford. Why does everything have to go through NI if it is destined for Ireland?It doesnt - it can enter direct, in fact most of Ireland's imports do go direct. The red/green lane system is only for the small amount of goods headed to the South that might go through NI. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 2, 2023 11:49:31 GMT
Your own link to the Irish Government document points out that the right to FoM between Ireland and the UK is due to the Common Travel Area..not anything to do with the EU. If you want to go and live and work in Dublin you are perfectly at liberty to do so with no restriction - what you (or any other UK citizen) can not do is go and work in Berlin without a a visa.
Citizens of the EEA (the EU, plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein), Switzerland can live and work in Ireland without an employment permit.
hope this bit helps further pacifico....
EU and EEA citizens travelling to Great Britain from Ireland
If you are a citizen of the EEA (the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein) or Switzerland, you may be asked for identification when you enter Great Britain from Ireland. You are not asked to show identification if you are entering Northern Ireland from Ireland.
Northern ireland still has freedom of movement while the rUK does not. Hope that clears things up for you mate.
Only between UK and Ireland. If they want full EU freedom of movement they have to get an IRISH passport. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 2, 2023 11:52:30 GMT
I still have never understood this lane business. If the UK wants to sell goods to its customers in NI, which largely involves large companies like M&S etc, or (note all those T's and C's that say not available in NI) then send them from a UK port to a NI port. If the UK is trading with an IRISH company, then send them from say Liverpool to Waterford. Why does everything have to go through NI if it is destined for Ireland?It doesnt - it can enter direct, in fact most of Ireland's imports do go direct. The red/green lane system is only for the small amount of goods headed to the South that might go through NI. Ah cheers. I did think all the fuss was about more than that. At some common sense remains. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 2, 2023 12:12:00 GMT
Citizens of the EEA (the EU, plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein), Switzerland can live and work in Ireland without an employment permit.
hope this bit helps further pacifico.... EU and EEA citizens travelling to Great Britain from Ireland
If you are a citizen of the EEA (the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein) or Switzerland, you may be asked for identification when you enter Great Britain from Ireland. You are not asked to show identification if you are entering Northern Ireland from Ireland.
Northern ireland still has freedom of movement while the rUK does not. Hope that clears things up for you mate. LOL - your own link tells you that the FoM is due to the Common Travel Area, not the Protocol. I suggest you move on mate. Common travel area dates back to the 1920's. |
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