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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 22:32:33 GMT
Whereas Boris Johnson was all slice an dice, duck and dive, sign then rip; Rishi Sunak is all (almost) BRINO and "is not prepared to make changes to his landmark Brexit deal as he stares down critics in the DUP and on his own backbenches."
In the meantime, Juncker disses Boris Johnson. In a very diplomatic way, of course. To wit, from an article titled
"Boris Johnson is a ‘piece of work’, says ex-EU Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker"
...Mr Juncker welcomed Rishi Sunak’s new agreement with the EU on post-Brexit trading arrangements in Northern Ireland saying it should pave the way for the “normalising” of relations between the UK and Brussels.
But in remarks that may cause irritation in Downing Street, he suggested that it gave a greater role to the European institutions than some in Britain had acknowledged.
“I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems – and as the European Court of Justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland,” he said in an interview with LBCs Tonight with Andrew Marr.
“So, I think that although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide.”
Mr Juncker said a similar deal would have been available to Mr Johnson but “he was not able to acknowledge that some details of the arrangement had to be more precise”.
He said that while he liked Mr Johnson personally, he had had better relations with all the other British prime ministers he had worked with.....“I had better relations with all the prime ministers of Britain I’ve known, starting with John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, even David Cameron, then mainly Theresa May, who was a lady."
“Boris Johnson was a piece of work, someone you cannot categorise, in normal definitions, but I liked him as a person.”
Hopefully, Brexit purists and apologists can finally accept that leaving was a mistake exacerbated by the antics of Boris Johnson and gang. Brexit did not have to be or does not have to be acrimonious. There is no and there has never been a score to settle with the EU.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 23:17:15 GMT
Whereas Boris Johnson was all slice an dice, duck and dive, sign then rip; Rishi Sunak is all (almost) BRINO and "is not prepared to make changes to his landmark Brexit deal as he stares down critics in the DUP and on his own backbenches." In the meantime, Juncker disses Boris Johnson. In a very diplomatic way, of course. To wit, from an article titled "Boris Johnson is a ‘piece of work’, says ex-EU Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker"...Mr Juncker welcomed Rishi Sunak’s new agreement with the EU on post-Brexit trading arrangements in Northern Ireland saying it should pave the way for the “normalising” of relations between the UK and Brussels.
But in remarks that may cause irritation in Downing Street, he suggested that it gave a greater role to the European institutions than some in Britain had acknowledged.
“I think that the European Commission will have more authority than it seems – and as the European Court of Justice has been reconfirmed in its role as an arbiter when it comes to internal market questions concerning Northern Ireland,” he said in an interview with LBCs Tonight with Andrew Marr.
“So, I think that although the deal is giving a response to the major British concerns, there is a part of European Union in the deal some in Britain are trying to hide.”
Mr Juncker said a similar deal would have been available to Mr Johnson but “he was not able to acknowledge that some details of the arrangement had to be more precise”.
He said that while he liked Mr Johnson personally, he had had better relations with all the other British prime ministers he had worked with.....“I had better relations with all the prime ministers of Britain I’ve known, starting with John Major, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, even David Cameron, then mainly Theresa May, who was a lady."“Boris Johnson was a piece of work, someone you cannot categorise, in normal definitions, but I liked him as a person.”Hopefully, Brexit purists and apologists can finally accept that leaving was a mistake exacerbated by the antics of Boris Johnson and gang. Brexit did not have to be or does not have to be acrimonious. There is no and there has never been a score to settle with the EU. Revelling in your own ideas is noted. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 3, 2023 0:15:08 GMT
It is quite clear now rhat those who declare an interest in the EU aren't interested. Thomas summarised the attempt to solve the hardest problem of Brexit which Boris never bothered to solve. But instead of discussing the proposed agreement, the same facile superficial flag waving 6 year old knuckleheaded and often incorrect tropes start all over again. Any conversation about the EU in here is like talking to an old fashioned record player. Put the needle anywhere and you always get the same sound. Utter waste of time. Who would voluntarily visit a space where whenever you do, you hear the same babble. If anyone would like to try to answer my pervious question I would be delighted. But be careful. It takes some basic knowledge of the EU/UK relationship to do so. I think the short answer is over the past 40 years the main ferry routes into the island of ireland involve initial passage to the republic and onward travel to the north. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 3, 2023 5:48:38 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Mar 3, 2023 6:32:54 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 3, 2023 7:06:23 GMT
Silly pap for the masses. It depends who made the forecasts and what they were. The UK economy does not depend on slightly higher private sector pay agreements. And is still the weakest and slowest growing economy in the G7. God that paper does print some rubbish. The fact that it is so popular tells you a lot about the average British public. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2023 8:00:50 GMT
Citizens of the EEA (the EU, plus Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein), Switzerland can live and work in Ireland without an employment permit.
hope this bit helps further pacifico.... EU and EEA citizens travelling to Great Britain from Ireland
If you are a citizen of the EEA (the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Lichtenstein) or Switzerland, you may be asked for identification when you enter Great Britain from Ireland. You are not asked to show identification if you are entering Northern Ireland from Ireland.
Northern ireland still has freedom of movement while the rUK does not. Hope that clears things up for you mate. LOL - your own link tells you that the FoM is due to the Common Travel Area, not the Protocol.  I suggest you move on mate. #scratches head#
Pacifico. I hate to break it to you , but scotland england and wales are also in the CTA , and we dont have freedom of movement with the EU.
So again , you flag up rishi the remainers BRINO deal for northern ireland , where you yourself are highlighting the earlier point i have already made that northern ireland , unlike the ruk has FOM. You know one of the brexiter red lines on why we needed to leave the EU.
Every time i point out the tory hypocrisy and nonsensical rubbish on brexit and the fact northern ireland doesnt have brexit , you throw a dead cat on the table and sing la la la not listening.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2023 8:12:04 GMT
#scratches head# Pacifico. I hate to break it to you , but scotland england and wales are also in the CTA , and we dont have freedom of movement with the EU. The people of NI dont have FoM with the EU - they have FoM with Eire, just as you do. The only 'extra' benefit the people of NI get is that they can become Eire citizens and then have full FoM in the EU - but that is a function of the GFA and nothing to to with the Protocol (and they have to have been born before about 2000) Think about it - if residents of NI were allowed full FoM within the EU then anyone in the rest of the UK could declare they are resident in Belfast and thus gain that access. The EU would never allow that. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 3, 2023 9:09:18 GMT
#scratches head# Pacifico. I hate to break it to you , but scotland england and wales are also in the CTA , and we dont have freedom of movement with the EU. The people of NI dont have FoM with the EU - they have FoM with Eire, just as you do. The only 'extra' benefit the people of NI get is that they can become Eire citizens and then have full FoM in the EU - but that is a function of the GFA and nothing to to with the Protocol (and they have to have been born before about 2000) Think about it - if residents of NI were allowed full FoM within the EU then anyone in the rest of the UK could declare they are resident in Belfast and thus gain that access. The EU would never allow that. The point im making is northern irelands position remains unchanged in terms of travel between ireland and the eu unlike the rUK.
The checks are all done between the 6 county part of the uk and the rest of the uk. What do you think all the uproar has been about by unionists?
You have been consistently trying to ignore the fact brexiters are pissed off northern ireland remains unchanged by brexit , is still de facto part of the eu , and is subject to checks that didnt exist prior top brexit.
Brexit consequences
People born in Northern Ireland who retain their right to be Irish citizens will also retain their EU citizenship so they still have the right to live, work and study in an EU country without a visa and with no time limit.
There are no passport controls in operation for Irish and UK citizens travelling in either direction. However, you may be asked by an immigration officer to prove you are a citizen of Ireland or the UK, so all citizens should carry a passport.
So the repeated point to you wish you desperately continue to try and brush off is the northern irish part of the yookay doesnt have brexit.........it has a completely different relationship to the EU than what you or i do , yet we were told by tory brexiters brexit was a yookay vote and the yookay had to leave , whcih clearly hasnt happened despite rishi the remainers latest pr stunt deal.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 3, 2023 10:28:19 GMT
The UK voted for INDEPENDENCE (something you say you want for Scotland yet demonstrate extremely weird pro EU dependence views).
We're independent.
Get over it.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2023 13:13:53 GMT
The point im making is northern irelands position remains unchanged in terms of travel between ireland and the eu unlike the rUK. It is exactly the same for citizens of NI and the rest of the UK. Yes checks on Goods - that has absolutely nothing to do with Freedom of Movement. [/div][/quote] I am not ignoring anything -- simply pointing out your error. Ah - I see now why you are getting the wrong end of the stick. Your link is talking about the people of NI who choose to become Irish Citizens - of course if you change your nationality then you gain whatever advantages your new nationality confers. However for those that remain UK Citizens (the vast majority) their rights are exactly the same as yours. As the BBC makes plain: "People born in Northern Ireland have the right to Irish as well as British citizenship.
Those who exercise that right will retain their EU citizenship, something not available to people elsewhere in the UK who may have only British citizenship."Citizens' rights |
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 10:26:10 GMT
The point im making is northern irelands position remains unchanged in terms of travel between ireland and the eu unlike the rUK. No im not getting the wrong end of the stick at all.
It applies to people who hold british as well as irish nationality.
You just cant accept that the people of northern ireland have the right to european citizenship , passports and are living under the jurisdiction of eu courts.
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 10:26:39 GMT
EU chief says Sunak's Northern Ireland deal fails to take back full control in leaked recording
Maros Sefcovic said the Prime Minister’s pact was simply designed to avoid negative headlines in the British press
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2023 11:43:05 GMT
You just cant accept that the people of northern ireland have the right to european citizenship , passports and are living under the jurisdiction of eu courts. they become Irish citizens.. I have already made that point. Of course the process that allows them to become Irish citizens has been in place for 25 years now and has nothing at all to do with Brexit, Sunaks deal or even EU membership in the first place. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 11:57:11 GMT
You just cant accept that the people of northern ireland have the right to european citizenship , passports and are living under the jurisdiction of eu courts. they become Irish citizens.. I have already made that point. It applies to those with dual british and irish citizenship. Read the links.
you can hold a british passport and a european (irish) passport at the same time...... 
These include the birthright of the people of Northern Ireland to identify and be accepted as British or Irish, or both, and to hold both British and Irish citizenship.
DUP MP Ian Paisley Junior has said he is 'very relaxed' about the rise in Irish passport applications as they are 'European documents posing as passports'.
The number of applications for the document from people in Northern Ireland has risen by more than 60% in July, compared with the same period last year.
Speaking to BBC Northern Ireland, the North Antrim MP said: "I'm very relaxed with people if they feel they are entitled to a second passport and that it will be of some benefit to them, why would they not apply.
"For international travellers especially, it can be a very convenient thing to have.
"I have no actual objections. It is a European document with an Irish harp stuck on the front posing as a passport but it's essentially a European document, so why would they not want to have it? I don't have one but I won't discourage people if they think it is of benefit to them."
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